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eliteballer 01-23-2013 11:53 AM

Lakers will amnesty Kobe, Trade Dwight and Pau...
 
because they are unhappy with the system all so we can keep D'Antoni.

Keep thinking that.


:roll:

niko 01-23-2013 11:58 AM

Re: Lakers will amnesty Kobe, Trade Dwight and Pau...
 
I kind of was thinking that yesterday. Are the Lakers really going to melt down everything to keep MDA? Seemed strange to me. But would they fire him now?

Godzuki 01-23-2013 12:03 PM

Re: Lakers will amnesty Kobe, Trade Dwight and Pau...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eliteballer
because they are unhappy with the system all so we can keep D'Antoni.

Keep thinking that.


:roll:


nash was really their biggest mistake, which necessitated D Antoni. Nash in halfcourt offense is a complete waste and his defensive liabilities would stand out much more with a halfcourt slow down team. i really don't blame the Lakers management so much for D Antoni since he made the most sense to make Nash fit in and do what he's known for, and i dont' think anybody predicted Nash would be so bad for them in their post based offense style of play. i still don't think its over tho and the Lakers still have a lot of time to turn this around imo. if they ever go back to post based around Pau or someone laker fans should stop complaining about not having a star PG, its pointless having one if you're feeding everyone thru the post.

3LiftHeatCurse 01-23-2013 12:09 PM

Re: Lakers will amnesty Kobe, Trade Dwight and Pau...
 
Mike Brown was a defensive specialist. Everyone knows Mike Brown sucks at offense, but at defense, he is a VERY GOOD coach.

So, if Mike Brown could not get the Lakers to play any defense... you know something is wrong.

So what did the Lakers do? They said, well, a defensive coach is pretty much worthless to this roster since nash kobe and pau are old legs.

So let's get a high scoring offensive team, we need D'Antoni! Showtime is back. We can't play defense, but we will score 120 a night.

Except.....that won't happen either as long as Kobe is the selfish chucker he is. That Laker team should be 100% in the hands of Steve Nash, and everyone sharing the ball

Instead, it's Kobe saying "i get my shots and kobe iso's, ya'll figure out how to build a sytem around that"

guy 01-23-2013 12:23 PM

Re: Lakers will amnesty Kobe, Trade Dwight and Pau...
 
Was watching sportscenter and Chris Broussard suggested firing D'antoni and then just having Bernie, who they had a great record with, coach the team. Makes sense cause they wouldn't have to pay more as a result.

Whoah10115 01-23-2013 12:39 PM

Re: Lakers will amnesty Kobe, Trade Dwight and Pau...
 
It's not that Nash can't play in the halfcourt. Nash is not a ball-dominant PG, because what he does is push the ball and forces the team to run, and he gets the ball moving. If he was ball-dominant, he'd average 15 assists in that offense. He isn't as ball-dominant as Magic.


Now, you put him in a half-court offense and suddenly he is ball-dominant. You give him a post player who doesn't simply like the ball in the interior, he likes the offense to run thru him. Shaq wanted the ball in the post all the time, but he got the ball and looked to score. And for all I say about him and for all the talk of his hugeness, he was not a dumb player. He was smart enough to move the ball quickly when the double came. Gasol doesn't just go at his defender, he moves the ball around, he makes amazing passes and is a complete skill and cerebral player, even tho he's a good athlete.


You put all these guys together and put them in a halfcourt and you have problems. Howard is the one guy who doesn't need the ball like that. He can get his scores, but he doesn't have to get the ball unless he's got single coverage or unless he's in a pick n' roll. But as he runs around with a stat sheet in his hand then it becomes a problem.


If you get Nash and put him on this team, in a halfcourt setting...too many mouths to feed. I mean, you literally might have to play strictly half-court and have the 4 of them be the entire offense. Maybe Jamison or Meeks off the bench. The rest should be all defenders who grind it out and simply hold the lead. All and all, this was a high risk and high reward situation.

FKAri 01-23-2013 12:53 PM

Re: Lakers will amnesty Kobe, Trade Dwight and Pau...
 
Nash is NOT good in the halfcourt? Nash is NOT ball dominant? He holds and probes with the ball and does most of his damage off the pick and roll.

longtime lurker 01-23-2013 12:56 PM

Re: Lakers will amnesty Kobe, Trade Dwight and Pau...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by guy
Was watching sportscenter and Chris Broussard suggested firing D'antoni and then just having Bernie, who they had a great record with, coach the team. Makes sense cause they wouldn't have to pay more as a result.


I don't get why they can't go back to playing the way they did under Bickerstaff? The guy has coached a team to the NBA finals. Also didn't he coach the Bobcats to their one playoff appearance? I could be wrong here.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy 01-23-2013 01:03 PM

Re: Lakers will amnesty Kobe, Trade Dwight and Pau...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by longtime lurker
I don't get why they can't go back to playing the way they did under Bickerstaff? The guy has coached a team to the NBA finals. Also didn't he coach the Bobcats to their one playoff appearance? I could be wrong here.


That was Larry Brown. Bernie is a solid coach though. Remember those Sonic teams in the late 80's? Bickerstaff & co. always gave "Showtime" a run for their money.

longtime lurker 01-23-2013 01:05 PM

Re: Lakers will amnesty Kobe, Trade Dwight and Pau...
 
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Originally Posted by kuniva_dAMiGhTy
That was Larry Brown. Bernie is a solid coach though. Remember those Sonic teams in the late 80's? Bickerstaff & co. always gave "Showtime" a run for their money.


Yeah how could I forget Larry Brown? Dumbass me. I know that Bickerstaff did coach the Bobcats at one point, but the fact still remains why doesn't this team just go back to what they were doing before D'Antoni

Godzuki 01-23-2013 01:11 PM

Re: Lakers will amnesty Kobe, Trade Dwight and Pau...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FKAri
Nash is NOT good in the halfcourt? Nash is NOT ball dominant? He holds and probes with the ball and does most of his damage off the pick and roll.



he was practically non existent before D Antoni got there. he was a complete waste floating around the perimeter playing 3 pt spot up while the ball was in the hands of a post player. and there were no open lanes to even run pick n roll for the most part it seemed since the whole middle seemed clogged. basically Nash was D. Fisher, nothing more.

niko 01-23-2013 01:28 PM

Re: Lakers will amnesty Kobe, Trade Dwight and Pau...
 
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Originally Posted by Godzuki
he was practically non existent before D Antoni got there. he was a complete waste floating around the perimeter playing 3 pt spot up while the ball was in the hands of a post player. and there were no open lanes to even run pick n roll for the most part it seemed since the whole middle seemed clogged. basically Nash was D. Fisher, nothing more.


So essentially to let Nash do more they neutered all their bigs.

Godzuki 01-23-2013 01:41 PM

Re: Lakers will amnesty Kobe, Trade Dwight and Pau...
 
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Originally Posted by niko
So essentially to let Nash do more they neutered all their bigs.



nobody knew their bigs would have so many issues playing with each other, coming off the bench, etc. seriously tho half of the issues are problems with Pau and Dwight more than anyone else. a lot of stupid crap between them with Pau's constant erratic play blaming their system of him not being in the low post or basis of offense which i'm skeptical about even if he gets his way. and dumbass Dwight constantly fouling out, getting ejected, not showing up to play, and then his other liabilities like ft shooting, etc.

i mean yeah, Lakers management probably had to decide did we get Nash and pay him 9mill to be Derek Fisher....

I<3NBA 01-23-2013 01:48 PM

Re: Lakers will amnesty Kobe, Trade Dwight and Pau...
 
Bickerstaff got them wins vs mostly weak teams. i really think if they remove Kobe for a few games, let him rest or something, they'll discover ball movement will win them games.

longtime lurker 01-23-2013 01:50 PM

Re: Lakers will amnesty Kobe, Trade Dwight and Pau...
 
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Originally Posted by I<3NBA
Bickerstaff got them wins vs mostly weak teams. i really think if they remove Kobe for a few games, let him rest or something, they'll discover ball movement will win them games.


And D'Antoni has gotten them losses against very VERY weak teams. I do think they need to rest Kobe, but have you seen the offense whenever Kobe's out? Just imagine Meeks or Morris playing 40 mins a game *shudders*


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