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Lebron23 01-26-2013 07:40 AM

Basketball Reference finally updated the NBA Finals Stats Boxscores from 1950 to 2012
 
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...50_finals.html

From the 1950 NBA Finals to the 2012 NBA Finals.

Hank 01-26-2013 07:56 AM

Re: Basketball Reference finally updated the NBA Finals Stats Boxscores from 1950 to 2012
 
Wade still owns the 2 best series of NBA Finals PER in history

LEFT4DEAD 01-26-2013 08:34 AM

Re: Basketball Reference finally updated the NBA Finals Stats Boxscores from 1950 to 2012
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank
Wade still owns the 2 best series of NBA Finals PER in history

One of the best finals performers ever. No doubt about it.

Djahjaga 01-26-2013 11:21 AM

Re: Basketball Reference finally updated the NBA Finals Stats Boxscores from 1950 to 2012
 
Looks like Russell was the leading scorer in the finals for some of those Celtics teams, and sometimes with very decent FG%. And he was, of course, the leading rebounder, by far.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

DMV2 01-26-2013 11:41 AM

Re: Basketball Reference finally updated the NBA Finals Stats Boxscores from 1950 to 2012
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Djahjaga
Looks like Russell was the leading scorer in the finals for some of those Celtics teams, and sometimes with very decent FG%. And he was, of course, the leading rebounder, by far.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Would have about 9 Finals MVP if they gave 'em out back then.

Djahjaga 01-26-2013 01:00 PM

Re: Basketball Reference finally updated the NBA Finals Stats Boxscores from 1950 to 2012
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DMV2
Would have about 9 Finals MVP if they gave 'em out back then.


Definitely. Heinsohn may have gotten one as well, if we're inferring just from stats (although we all know where the pitfalls of that lay).

The most well rounded statline I've seen so far (post-1976) is Bill Walton's 18.5/19.0/5.2/1.0/3.7 on .545 shooting from the field and .789 from the line.

:bowdown:

jlip 01-26-2013 02:02 PM

Re: Basketball Reference finally updated the NBA Finals Stats Boxscores from 1950 to 2012
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Djahjaga
Looks like Russell was the leading scorer in the finals for some of those Celtics teams, and sometimes with very decent FG%. And he was, of course, the leading rebounder, by far.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


This is what some of us have been trying to tell the "Russell could not score" crowd for a while. It was not his primary job to score, but when the team called on him to do so, he did. He even owns the Finals record for fg% which is 70.2% which was set in 1965. His ft% unlike many other poor shooting big men actually increased from the regular season to the playoffs to the Finals. He also led the Celtics in assists during a couple of those championship runs and owns almost every Finals rebounding record there is. At some point during his career he won a championship leading his team in every available stat other than ft%.

Comparison of Russell's 5 highest scoring Finals to some other all time greats

Russell
23.5ppg-1966
22.9ppg-1962
20.0ppg- 1963
17.8ppg- 1965
17.6ppg-1961

*Wilt
29.4ppg- 1964
23.2ppg- 1970
19.4ppg-1972
17.6ppg- 1967
11.7ppg- 1969
*Most of Wiltís Finals were during the part of his career after his coaches asked him to score less and play more like Russell.

Magic
26.2ppg-1987
21.5ppg-1980
21.1ppg- 1988
19.0ppg- 1983
18.6ppg- 1991

**Bird
27.4ppg-1984
24.2ppg- 1987
24.0ppg-1986
23.8ppg-1985
15.3ppg-1981
**Bird only went to 5 Finals

***Duncan
27.4ppg-1999
24.2ppg- 2003
20.6ppg-2005
18.3ppg- 2007
***Duncan has only been to 4.

It appears that Russellís five highest scoring Finals were not that much worse than one player who was often considered the greatest scorer ever (Wilt), another who is the 2nd highest scoring point guard of all time (Magic), a third who may be the most versatile scorer ever (Bird), and a fourth who is often considered the greatest power forward of all time, Duncan. Thatís not bad for a guy who supposedly could NOT score. To be sure, Russell did have several low scoring Finals, but the purpose of this was to show that he COULD score when asked to.

FF1 01-26-2013 04:57 PM

Re: Basketball Reference finally updated the NBA Finals Stats Boxscores from 1950 to 2012
 
Lol shaq 38/17 on 60% shooting. Kobe 15/4 on 36% shooting.

noob cake 01-26-2013 05:01 PM

Re: Basketball Reference finally updated the NBA Finals Stats Boxscores from 1950 to 2012
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FF1
Lol shaq 38/17 on 60% shooting. Kobe 15/4 on 36% shooting.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...00_finals.html

Guys, Kobe wasn't carried to a championship! :roll:

fpliii 01-26-2013 05:02 PM

Re: Basketball Reference finally updated the NBA Finals Stats Boxscores from 1950 to 2012
 
A few are still incomplete from the 50s:

Quote:

Thanks in part to Pete Palmer, I have added composite box scores for all NBA Finals dating back to 1950. There are some holes in the data: minutes played are missing for the 1952-1954 and 1956 Finals; field goal attempts are missing for the 1950 Finals; rebounds are missing for the 1953 and 1954 Finals; and assists are missing for the 1950, 1953, 1954, and 1957-1959 Finals. If you can help us fill in any of these missing values we would love to hear from you.

but they've done a great job putting this data together. The remaining stats are going to be hard to come by since it seems no papers at the time published 'complete' box scores, and articles only mention high rebounders/playmakers. They're not far off from completing the project though, so it's pretty neat (hopefully they add Finals stats to individual player pages).

noob cake 01-26-2013 05:11 PM

Re: Basketball Reference finally updated the NBA Finals Stats Boxscores from 1950 to 2012
 
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...00_finals.html
Shaq 38/16.7/2.3 on 61%
Kobe 15.6/4.6/4.2 on 37%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...01_finals.html
Shaq 33/15.8/4.8 on 57%
Kobe 24.6/7.8/5.8 on 41%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...02_finals.html
Shaq 36.3/12.3/3.8 on on 60%
Kobe 26.8/5.8/5.3 on 51%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...09_finals.html
Gasol 18.3/9.2/2.2 on 60%
Kobe 32.3/5.6/7.4 on 43%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...10_finals.html
Gasol 18.6/11.6/3.7 on 48%
Kobe 28.6/8/3.9 on 40%

Kobe's 5* "championships"

Magic 32 01-26-2013 05:40 PM

Re: Basketball Reference finally updated the NBA Finals Stats Boxscores from 1950 to 2012
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by noob cake
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...00_finals.html
Shaq 38/16.7/2.3 on 61%
Kobe 15.6/4.6/4.2 on 37%


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0T08-gJVcc

Quote:

Originally Posted by noob cake
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...01_finals.html
Shaq 33/15.8/4.8 on 57%
Kobe 24.6/7.8/5.8 on 41%


Apart from a game 1 (which was awful), Kobe averaged...

27pts, 9 reb, 6 assists on 44% shooting. Age 22.


LongLiveTheKing 01-26-2013 05:42 PM

Re: Basketball Reference finally updated the NBA Finals Stats Boxscores from 1950 to 2012
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank
Wade still owns the 2 best series of NBA Finals PER in history

:bowdown:

LongLiveTheKing 01-26-2013 05:47 PM

Re: Basketball Reference finally updated the NBA Finals Stats Boxscores from 1950 to 2012
 
Shane Battier 15-26 3's in the 2012 Finals wow!
James Harden 38 FG% and Westbrook 14% 3 FG
Lebron 19 3FG% :lol

Psileas 01-26-2013 07:09 PM

Re: Basketball Reference finally updated the NBA Finals Stats Boxscores from 1950 to 2012
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Djahjaga
Looks like Russell was the leading scorer in the finals for some of those Celtics teams, and sometimes with very decent FG%. And he was, of course, the leading rebounder, by far.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


Russell's rebounding rates per Finals' series:

22
26.3 (not very accurate, missed 2 games)
21.6
21.9
22
23
22.3
23.1 (Wilt: 23.5)
22.4
21.6
19.5
18.2 (Wilt: 21.9)

:applause:


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