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MJ(Mean John) 02-02-2013 10:50 PM

Ray lewis- where do you have him all time?
 
Where do you have him all time? In his position, as a football player, and a bonus question: where do you have him currently ? At his position and as a football player


- I was have a discussion with someone and I want to see where ISH stands.

Jackass18 02-03-2013 01:54 AM

Re: Ray lewis- where do you have him all time?
 
As a football player? Waaaaay too difficult to say. At his position? I have him somewhere around 3 for MLBs. Currently, he's on the verge of retirement, so not high.

JMT 02-03-2013 10:28 AM

Re: Ray lewis- where do you have him all time?
 
As dominant an all-round LB as I've seen play the game. Older era LB didn't have to do much of anything in pass coverage, and the other category of "greats" tend to be guys who specialized in rushing the passer.

No worse than Top 3 all time at his position. One of the top 10 players of the last 15 years. Sure-fire first ballot HOF.

Rameek 02-03-2013 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JMT
As dominant an all-round LB as I've seen play the game. Older era LB didn't have to do much of anything in pass coverage, and the other category of "greats" tend to be guys who specialized in rushing the passer.

No worse than Top 3 all time at his position. One of the top 10 players of the last 15 years. Sure-fire first ballot HOF.

Sorry disagree MLB did have to play pass coverage but in the older times it was a run orientated league which I think makes it challenging to determine who is the best.

My opinion will vary from others from players I've watched....
Seau, Singletary, Carson, then you have older school Lanier, Nitschke, Butkus, Lambert.

I would put him 4th from where I've seen. Historians may put the older school MLB's in there somewhere. Personally I am only putting him in the top 5 based on longevity and longevity numbers. Their are many aspects of his game I love, sideline to sideline one of the best, instincts, anticipation, studying I think he is fantastic. He isnt a good engaged linebacker and my middle linebacker must be able to shed blocks and he just isnt that good at it he needs road graders to eat up the Oline to do what he does. I put more weight and respect to the older linebackers for their ability to play in the trenches and dropping back. Modern day linebackers are smaller and more finesse type players. Sam Mills was small but one of the best linebackers ever.

I think that leadership stuff is purely BS and overrated. You see the TV stuff dancing, hollering, speeches, etc.... That doesnt mean other players didnt show leadership or inspire their teams just not caught on TV as often because they arent showoffs.

For me he isnt even a consideration for all time greatness but mad respect for longevity. I guess being the best at his position for so long also is great but that speaks to the weakness of the position for so many years.

westsideozzie 02-03-2013 02:52 PM

Re: Ray lewis- where do you have him all time?
 
Easily the GOAT MLB. Ran 4.5 and hit like a ton of bricks. Excelled at both defending the pass and run. Responsible for some of the most historic hits of all time. Diagnosed plays better than anyone and a leader of men.

Butkus never made playoffs, and Singletary says he was not better than Ray.

Riddler 02-03-2013 04:32 PM

Re: Ray lewis- where do you have him all time?
 
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=127318
Official OTC All-Time NFL Draft

(I was D-Shark at the time)

That's where I have Ray Lewis.

Hands of Iron 02-03-2013 05:38 PM

Re: Ray lewis- where do you have him all time?
 
#1 ATG MLB/ILB. Could see Butkus there as well, though.

Jackass18 02-03-2013 07:35 PM

Re: Ray lewis- where do you have him all time?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by westsideozzie
Butkus never made playoffs


That's a pretty dumb point to try and make.

Whoah10115 02-03-2013 10:10 PM

Re: Ray lewis- where do you have him all time?
 
A top 5 payer of the last 15 years and the best not LT ever.

westsideozzie 02-13-2013 03:12 PM

Re: Ray lewis- where do you have him all time?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jackass18
That's a pretty dumb point to try and make.



How you gonna be the GOAT and you never sniffed the post season. Lewis elevate his team play to the greatest single season defense of ALL TIME. Put it to you this way, if Butkus and Ray were on the same team, Dick Butkus would be your SAM backer.

Rasheed1 02-14-2013 01:32 PM

Re: Ray lewis- where do you have him all time?
 
Pretty close to best MLB ever

Loved to watch tape of Butkus, and I was also a big fan of Mike Singletary, and Jack Lambert.

I say top 3

kentatm 02-15-2013 03:43 PM

Re: Ray lewis- where do you have him all time?
 
He's the best I've ever seen at getting credited for a tackle by jumping on piles of dudes that are already down for the count.

Jackass18 02-17-2013 12:43 PM

Re: Ray lewis- where do you have him all time?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by westsideozzie
How you gonna be the GOAT and you never sniffed the post season.


Maybe because there's more than 1 player on a team. His team had the 4th best record in the league back in 1965, but only 2 teams went to the playoffs (unless there was a tie). Butkus just wasn't surrounded by much talent outside of his 1st year, and very little on defense.

Quote:

Lewis elevate his team play to the greatest single season defense of ALL TIME.

Could it be that he had a lot more talent on that defense?


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