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longhornfan1234 02-06-2013 11:00 AM

Sopranos question. **** spoiler alert****
 
Do you think Tony should have killed Christopher? I thought it was totally unnecessary. Yes, Christopher was a loose cannon, but he was more loyal than the other fakes in his crew.

SilkkTheShocker 02-06-2013 11:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by longhornfan1234
Do you think Tony should have killed Christopher? I thought it was totally unnecessary. Yes, Christopher was a loose cannon, but he was more loyal than the other fakes in his crew.



I liked Christopher, but I really think it had to be done. Tony saw down the road that he was always going to be a problem.

niko 02-06-2013 11:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by longhornfan1234
Do you think Tony should have killed Christopher? I thought it was totally unnecessary. Yes, Christopher was a loose cannon, but he was more loyal than the other fakes in his crew.


He did it because Christopher was going to go to jail for violating parole because he was on drugs, and which point they were going to sell him a deal to give up Tony. And Chris was such a loose cannon all the time you'd think he'd give Tony up. Did anything about Chris the drug addict at that point make you think he wouldn't flip?

It was very cold but there wasn't really good options there.

longhornfan1234 02-06-2013 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by niko
He did it because Christopher was going to go to jail for violating parole because he was on drugs, and which point they were going to sell him a deal to give up Tony. And Chris was such a loose cannon all the time you'd think he'd give Tony up. Did anything about Chris the drug addict at that point make you think he wouldn't flip?

It was very cold but there wasn't really good options there.


:biggums:

Christopher is the most loyal guy on the show. He loves Tony, I don't think he would have betrayed him. He gave up his own WIFE for Tony.

glidedrxlr22 02-06-2013 11:27 AM

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Wow, I was just thinking this morning about the whole Christopher death scene!

niko 02-06-2013 12:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by longhornfan1234
:biggums:

Christopher is the most loyal guy on the show. He loves Tony, I don't think he would have betrayed him. He gave up his own WIFE for Tony.


Quite a few things he did showed he might turn on Tony. He had a freaking movie that Tony was the bad guy. He once came in to shoot Tony. Tony wanted to turn the business over to him at one point and Christoper wound up going into drugs. He also behind Tony's back was sleeping with the girl Tony was after. He didn't act like a guy you could trust not to turn.

Thorpesaurous 02-06-2013 12:30 PM

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Niko's right.

The point was that the entire crew was falling apart. Christopher's relapse was a sign of things never really changing. The feds were closing in, and the crew was never getting out, not necessarily because Christopher was going to flip (although that's the literal narrative), but because these guys were always gonna slip back into old habits.

And if I recall correctly, Tony discovered Christopher's relationship with the Juliana Margolis character prior to killing him. And his doing it personally was an example of his temper and flash rage decision making always going to be an issue.

CP3MVP 02-06-2013 12:36 PM

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It was a long time coming with Christopher. I think it would have been crazier if Tony had killed Paulie on that boat.

DonDadda59 02-06-2013 02:06 PM

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Tony was going to call the paramedics until he looked in the backseat and saw that the tree had destroyed the babyseat. When he thought about the fact that if Chris' daughter had been in the seat she would've been crushed to death, he decided to finally put Chris out of his misery. Babies and animals, a sociopath's only weaknesses...

DukeDelonte13 02-06-2013 02:41 PM

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tony had to fix his biggest mistake

KevinNYC 02-06-2013 02:51 PM

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And it was nicely dramatic

kaiteng 02-06-2013 03:19 PM

Re: Sopranos question. **** spoiler alert****
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by longhornfan1234
:biggums:

Christopher is the most loyal guy on the show. He loves Tony, I don't think he would have betrayed him. He gave up his own WIFE for Tony.

The guy is still a dumbass, a jerkass and a drug addict all in one. He also almost killed Tony "unintentionally" off the accident.

TheMan 02-06-2013 05:40 PM

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This dude does a great Tony and Christopher:oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42axi...e_gdata_player

BRabbiT 02-07-2013 05:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMan
This dude does a great Tony and Christopher:oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42axi...e_gdata_player



nice.

Joshumitsu 02-08-2013 09:44 AM

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It's a complicated issue. On one hand, Christopher was leading a very self-destructive lifestyle and would snap sooner or later. He already threatened to kill Tony once before and in the episode before his death, had recently spilled his guts out to his writing partner before murdering him. It didn't bode well for him at that point. He was digging himself in deep.

On the other hand, Tony didn't exactly foster a positive environment for Chris neither. He wanted Chris to run the family but ended up using Chris more for short term gains than prepping him for the big job. Beating Chris up, yelling at him, and not trying to understand or counsel his would-be successor showed how poor Tony was as a leader.

So, I mean, there's a good reason this show is regarded as a tragedy. The only leader who could hold the DiMeo Family together, Jackie Aprille Sr., died in Season 1. Everyone else was too focused on material gains or name-sake to pay attention to their own tragic flaws.

It's like Sun-Tuh Zu said: a good leader is benevolent and unconcerned with fame.

In their attempts to control and dominate, just about everyone in the DiMeo Crime Family was too focused on themselves to see the bigger picture. I mean, to answer your question, OP, it didn't matter what Tony did at that point.


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