It's probably gonna come down to the last 2 weeks of the season, unless either player gets injured. Never know though, players like Melo and Kobe could go off in the second half of the season.
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It's probably gonna come down to the last 2 weeks of the season, unless either player gets injured. Never know though, players like Melo and Kobe could go off in the second half of the season.
1. Lebron
2. Durant
3-5. Parker/Carmelo/CP3
Lebron just has to do a bit more than Durant on both ends in order for his team to win, often barely even win, but Durant is right there and has more wins, so i wont complain at all if he wins it..... its very safe to say its between those two right now...
Also, dont sleep on Tony Parker... Duncan is out right now, he can continue to raise his MVP stock...
[QUOTE=AngelEyes]Dude has already missed 11 games this season, you should have to be on the court to win the MVP.[/QUOTE]
Iverson missed 11 games in 2001 and still won mvp.
[QUOTE=inclinerator]its crazy that durant is shooting 52 percent from the field tho[/QUOTE]
Parker is shooting 53% from the field at the PG position.
[QUOTE=bdreason]Parker is shooting 53% from the field at the PG position.[/QUOTE]
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Tony Parker making his case again tonight without Duncan...
[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]Iverson missed 11 games in 2001 and still won mvp.[/QUOTE]
CP3 is not better than LeBron and Durant.
[QUOTE=pauk]Tony Parker making his case again tonight without Duncan...[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Lebron23]CP3 is not better than LeBron and Durant.[/QUOTE]
And Iverson was not better than Shaq, Kobe, Duncan. CP3 has a chance still, just a very small one.
[QUOTE=pauk]Tony Parker making his case again tonight without Duncan...[/QUOTE]
31/5/8 and a road W with his 2nd best player being Kawhi Leonard. :applause:
[QUOTE=Graviton]And Iverson was not better than Shaq, Kobe, Duncan. CP3 has a chance still, just a very small one.[/QUOTE]
Iverson was probably better than Kobe those early Kobe years.
[QUOTE=pauk]Tony Parker making his case again tonight without Duncan...[/QUOTE]
TP9 deserves a spot in the All NBA First Team, if the Spurs finish with a top 1-2 record in the Western Conference.
[QUOTE=pauk]Iverson was probably better than Kobe those early Kobe years.[/QUOTE]
In 01? Nope.
[QUOTE=Heavincent]In 01? Nope.[/QUOTE]
Allen Iverson 2001:
31 ppg @ 42/32/81
4 rpg
5 apg
3 spg
Led the league in scoring & steals... won the MVP by taking a much worse team to the same record (56-26) as Kobe did (or excuse me, as Shaq did) and took them even to the Finals.... averaged 33-5-6 in the playoffs....
I would say its not so mind-boggling to think he just might have been better than Kobe in 01......
Iverson was better than Kobe in 2001. He wasn't better than Shaq though (the real MVP).
[QUOTE=pauk]Allen Iverson 2001:
31 ppg @ 42/32/81
4 rpg
5 apg
3 spg
Led the league in scoring & steals... won the MVP by taking a much worse team to the same record (56-26) as Kobe did (or excuse me, as Shaq did) and took them even to the Finals.... averaged 33-5-6 in the playoffs....
I would say its not so mind-boggling to think he just might have been better than Kobe in 01......[/QUOTE]
Iverson had the better regular season and an MVP-caliber regular season unlike Kobe, but he was certainly not a better player. Kobe could score at least as well, and did everything else better.
It should be Durant. OKC is doing better, against much better competition. Miami has actually been a bit disappointing, though I'm sure the playoffs will be a different story.
I hope Parker gets some votes. I like how the MVP has been the "best player in the best team award" ... except when the best team is the Spurs.
[QUOTE=Nero Tulip]It should be Durant. OKC is doing better, against much better competition. Miami has actually been a bit disappointing, though I'm sure the playoffs will be a different story.
I hope Parker gets some votes. I like how the MVP has been the "best player in the best team award" ... except when the best team is the Spurs.[/QUOTE]
Miami has a better record against the West than the Thunder...
Why not MVP for the division , conference and league ? :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:
I'm fine with either LeBron or Durant winning it, with Parker in the top 5 and Duncan in the top 10. Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony should receive votes but aren't a legitimate threat to ultimately get the award.
[QUOTE=Nero Tulip]It should be Durant. [B]OKC is doing better, against much better competition.[/B] Miami has actually been a bit disappointing, though I'm sure the playoffs will be a different story.
I hope Parker gets some votes. I like how the MVP has been the "best player in the best team award" ... except when the best team is the Spurs.[/QUOTE]
Do you mean since they're in the West they play against much better competition? Because Miami oddly enough does better against Western Conference opponents than eastern. They're 16-5 versus the west.
Meanwhile OKC is 12-6 against eastern conference teams. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=InfiniteBaskets]Do you mean since they're in the West they play against much better competition? Because Miami oddly enough does better against Western Conference opponents than eastern. They're 16-5 versus the west.
Meanwhile OKC is 12-6 against eastern conference teams. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=tmacattack33]:roll:[/QUOTE]
what's so damn funny?:rolleyes: :confusedshrug:
Miami indeed play much better against west coast teams than eastern opponents...I believe it has something to do with East being much more physical and defensively oriented conference, where coasting and taking games off often bites super teams in the ass
Paul is making his case without even playing :lol
It's got to be KD at this point. LeBron is a better player and probably always will be. But, the "rules" have always been the same. Best MVP level player on the better team. Right now, that's KD. If you change the rules for James, you might as well rename the league after him. Because in order for history not to be distorted, you then have to go back and reassign every MVP in the 90s to Jordan (in years that he played).
[QUOTE=jrong]It's got to be KD at this point. LeBron is a better player and probably always will be. But, the "rules" have always been the same. Best MVP level player on the better team. Right now, that's KD. If you change the rules for James, you might as well rename the league after him. Because in order for history not to be distorted, you then have to go back and reassign every MVP in the 90s to Jordan (in years that he played).[/QUOTE]
I agree, it's probably KD to this point, but...
First of all, LeBron is on track for 58+ wins. Since when has that not been enough to win MVP, even if Durant wins a couple more than him?
Also, acting like the MVP has some cut and dry precedent is ridiculous. The furthest precedent goes is which story the media decides to pick up and run with that season - unless someone is the clear cut favorite of course, which is not the case here.
[QUOTE=madmax]what's so damn funny?:rolleyes: :confusedshrug:
Miami indeed play much better against west coast teams than eastern opponents...I believe it has something to do with East being much more physical and defensively oriented conference, where coasting and taking games off often bites super teams in the ass[/QUOTE]
I know.
I was laughing because the guy I quoted totally disproved everything that the guy he quoted said.
[QUOTE=jrong]It's got to be KD at this point. LeBron is a better player and probably always will be. [B]But, the "rules" have always been the same. Best MVP level player on the better team. Right now, that's KD. If you change the rules for James, you might as well rename the league after him. Because in order for history not to be distorted, you then have to go back and reassign every MVP in the 90s to Jordan (in years that he played).[/B][/QUOTE]
This "rule" has not always been the same. You do not always need to be on the best team, record wise, to win MVP. Moses Malone won it in 82' with a team than only won 46 games, MJ won it in 88' with his team only winning 50 games and finishing second his own division, Magic won it 89' when Isiah's Pistons won 6 more games, in 91' MJ won it when Portland had a better record, in 97' Malone won it when the Bulls won more games and MJ won the scoring title.
Also, in 2001 Iverson won it when the Spurs had the better record, in 2002 Duncan won it when the Kings had a better record, in 2004 KG won it when the Pacers had a better record, Nash won it in 2006 when his team only won 54 games and had 9 less wins than the spurs. In 2008 the award went to Kobe when the Celtics had 9 more wins and had Garnett playing at an extremely high level. Even last year the Bulls, Thunder, and Spurs had a better record than the Heat.
This so called "rule" does not always apply and it didn't even apply last season. James is at least as good as he was last season and his team has the best record in his conference (something that they didn't have last season). An MVP does not have to be on the best team, record wise, that's ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Graviton]And Iverson was not better than Shaq, Kobe, Duncan. CP3 has a chance still, just a very small one.[/QUOTE]
they were all on the same tier.
[QUOTE=Nero Tulip]It should be Durant. OKC is doing better, against much better competition. Miami has actually been a bit disappointing, though I'm sure the playoffs will be a different story.
I hope Parker gets some votes. I like how the MVP has been the "best player in the best team award" ... except when the best team is the Spurs.[/QUOTE]
The Spurs have had the best record twice in the last 10 years. Last year, when no one considered Parker and in 02/03, when Duncan won a second in a row. So I don't know what you're talking about.
Going further...Lebron, Rose, Rose. Prior to that Nash in 04/05. 5 of the last 9, so it's hardly the rule. And the Spurs are 1-1 when they had the best, these last 11 seasons.
[QUOTE=selrahc]what about kobe?[/QUOTE]
23-26
[QUOTE=Just2McFly]they were all on the same tier.[/QUOTE]
Be honest, Iverson wasn't.
Lebron will get it, he is playing at a level we've not seen many player come close to. Giving it to KD because his team has a few more wins won't cut it. The NBA will never let Lebron's special season go without awarding it with MVP.
[QUOTE=Nash]Lebron will get it, he is playing at a level we've not seen many player come close to. Giving it to KD because his team has a few more wins won't cut it. The NBA will never let Lebron's special season go without awarding it with MVP.[/QUOTE]
What's so special about this season? His defense has not been great from beginning to end. If people judged fairly, he wouldn't make the All-Defensive Team this year (unless he continues on the upward trajectory). He's not been one of the 4 best defensive forwards so far this season. His rebounding has been impressive, and so has his efficiency. Despite his assists, his team play hasn't been as great this year and his scoring is still a little down. He was playing better his first season in Miami and didn't win. This is his least impressive season since 2007/08.
[QUOTE=jrong]It's got to be KD at this point. LeBron is a better player and probably always will be. But, the "rules" have always been the same. Best MVP level player on the better team. Right now, that's KD. If you change the rules for James, you might as well rename the league after him. Because in order for history not to be distorted, you then have to go back and reassign every MVP in the 90s to Jordan (in years that he played).[/QUOTE]
Voter fatigue aside, MJ was the real MVP in '89, '90, '91, '92, '93, '96, '97, and '98 ... that's an 8x MVP.
Only season I felt LeBron wasn't clearly MVP since 2009 (reg season murky with Wade, outplayed Kobe in post season) was 2011 due to Wade's play, similar stats, and the fact they played together.
Legit MVP of the regular season for 2009, 2010, 2012, and 2013.
I think Bron is the best player in the league, and the actual MVP, but I doubt he wins it this year due to whatever reason the league voters think up. It will probably go to Durant or Paul.
[QUOTE=Graviton]And Iverson was not better than Shaq, Kobe, Duncan. CP3 has a chance still, just a very small one.[/QUOTE]
Iverson was better than Kobe in 2001
[QUOTE=Whoah10115]What's so special about this season? His defense has not been great from beginning to end. If people judged fairly, he wouldn't make the All-Defensive Team this year (unless he continues on the upward trajectory). He's not been one of the 4 best defensive forwards so far this season. His rebounding has been impressive, and so has his efficiency. Despite his assists, his team play hasn't been as great this year and his scoring is still a little down. He was playing better his first season in Miami and didn't win. This is his least impressive season since 2007/08.[/QUOTE]
Lebron is better at everything, having one of the best seasons, is a playmaker AND scorer while leading his successful team in every aspect of the game in points, assists and rebounds.. doing all of this shooting over 55%. If that's not the most valuable player then I don't know what is.
I don't think Jordan should have 8 MVP's. From what I've seen, Magic rightfully won in 89. And Magic has plenty of case for it in 90, just as as Barkley did. Barkley and Hakeem seem fair bets in 93. They all were. And I think Malone should have won it in 98.
He already has 5...you could argue a couple more, but I hardly think he was robbed every year.
[QUOTE=Nash]Lebron is better at everything, having one of the best seasons, is a playmaker AND scorer while leading his successful team in every aspect of the game in points, assists and rebounds.. doing all of this shooting over 55%. If that's not the most valuable player then I don't know what is.[/QUOTE]
Having one of the best seasons? Like ever? No.
I don't care what he's better at. His actual play hasn't been overwhelmingly clear. He's a great defender, but his defense hasn't been great this year. Should we put him on the All-Defensive 1st Team this year? He shouldn't even make the 2nd team. Even if he keeps this pace for the rest of the year, he'll make the 1st Team and maybe even win DPOTY if the voters feel there isn't an obvious winner.
He's doing a lot for Miami. But a lot of what he's doing they don't need him to do. He's great and makes things happen, and he has a legitimate argument for MVP. But it won't matter if his actual season play doesn't measure up to his overall game. He's not having one of the great seasons; that's just ridiculous.
MJ was the best player in the league from '89 - '98. Both sides of the ball. '89 overachieved with his team. '90 overachieved with his team. Pushing the eventual champion to seven games. '93 voter fatigue, Barkley not near as much of an impact player on defense as Jordan. Coaches called MJ and Hakeem the best defensive players in the league. Then he totally out performed Barkley in the '93 Finals. In '97 Malone had to be the first to openly campaign for the award, more voter fatigue, then once again MJ out performs main competitor on the biggest stage. '98 MVP more than deserved. Arguably the best player in the league, at 35 years old, carrying a two time defending champion sans their 2nd best player for about half the season. Utterly incredible. In all reality, a 7 - 8 time deserved MVP.