Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops

Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/index.php)
-   NBA Forum (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2)
-   -   Tony Parker 2012-2013 MVP (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=291184)

ZaaaaaH 02-20-2013 01:11 AM

Tony Parker 2012-2013 MVP
 



Best Record in the NBA

22-2 at Home

No Doubt about It!

ZaaaaaH 02-20-2013 01:06 PM

Re: Tony Parker 2012-2013 MVP
 
Haters gonna hate.

9512 02-20-2013 01:10 PM

Re: Tony Parker 2012-2013 MVP
 
Not even the French care.

westsideozzie 02-20-2013 01:11 PM

Re: Tony Parker 2012-2013 MVP
 
Tony Parker is underrated. He's a finals MVP, been killing since he was 19, yet he get's no MVP love. Even though Lebron and KD are better players, Pierre Parker has to be the MVP this year based on his resume.

Djahjaga 02-20-2013 01:20 PM

Re: Tony Parker 2012-2013 MVP
 
I'm very conflicted. On the one hand, I think what Lebron is doing is historic and clearly most deserving of the MVP. This is a season that MUST be remembered, for the sake of the game, and giving the MVP to someone else is counter-effective in that regard.

BUT

I love Tony Parker. One of the most aesthetically pleasing games in the league, one of my favorite players to watch, and he's at the very top of his game right now, seamlessly making the transition from the Spurs' 3rd best player, to 2nd, to best player. And he's only playing 33 MPG! Putting up gorgeous stats, running a gorgeous offense (though, yes, I'd have to agree that most of it is Pop, not Parker), and WINNING games.

I can only hope he gets better next year (when Lebron surely won't be given the MVP, no matter what he averages) so that he can win it then. I'd love for him to be remembered decades from now.

niko 02-20-2013 01:25 PM

Re: Tony Parker 2012-2013 MVP
 
No, Lebron. The Spurs do things by committee often too, it's not Parker and everyone else. If Lebron doesn't play, Heat suck. If Parker doesn't play, Spurs are fine. And that's not a shot at his talent, it's just true for some reason.

Droid101 02-20-2013 01:25 PM

Re: Tony Parker 2012-2013 MVP
 
Best player on the best team.

ZaaaaaH 02-20-2013 01:31 PM

Re: Tony Parker 2012-2013 MVP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by niko
No, Lebron. The Spurs do things by committee often too, it's not Parker and everyone else. If Lebron doesn't play, Heat suck. If Parker doesn't play, Spurs are fine. And that's not a shot at his talent, it's just true for some reason.



Same reason Rose got his MVP right?

Think before you start acting like you know what your talking about.

Stop hating

TMT 02-20-2013 01:46 PM

Re: Tony Parker 2012-2013 MVP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by niko
No, Lebron. The Spurs do things by committee often too, it's not Parker and everyone else. If Lebron doesn't play, Heat suck. If Parker doesn't play, Spurs are fine. And that's not a shot at his talent, it's just true for some reason.


How'd you come to this conclusion? Seems to me like you're pulling it out of your ass.

If Lebron doesn't play the Heat have two stars in Wade and Bosh who can carry the load, and some of the best role players in the league in Battier, Allen, Chalmers. Not saying they are still championship contenders obviously but they could make a run to the second round, maybe even the ECF. If TP doesn't play, we're missing the motor to our fine tuned offense and our true leader. Please tell me how exactly we'd be fine if Tony were to go down for the rest of the season. :oldlol:

Not saying he deserves the MVP, but the way the casual fan who knows next to nothing about how the Spurs operate is unbearable. "It's the system", "Their only good bc of their depth", ect. It's all bullshit. Give credit where credit is due. He sure as hell deserves to be up there in the conversation. If the Spurs were playing in the East they would probably up there around 50 wins, if not almost.

SCdac 02-20-2013 01:48 PM

Re: Tony Parker 2012-2013 MVP
 
I watch nearly every Spurs game and I just don't see it. It would be giving an MVP award basically to "best scorer on a team with the best record" which is not what the MVP is. Lebron at his peak is more than that. Shaq at his peak is more than that.

Parker's basically been playing the way he has the last 6 years, give or take a dry spell/injury ridden season. He is indeed playing excellent as of late and is very much a veteran. Best offensive player currently on the Spurs (Duncan and Manu are getting old), sure, but most valuable player in the league? Hardly. Throw Parker on the Bobcats and he's not turning that team around the way a Lebron or Durant would.

Parker's thriving in a system (largely penetrate, and kick out to shooters), but the system is not really designed for him to dominate the ball and play creation. The offensive is very sharing on the Spurs. By virtue of his position Parker runs the team (and his improved greatly over the years), but Tim Duncan's usage-% is still very high (was the Spurs MVP in the first couple months), so is Ginobili's (has really great value that doesn't readily show up in stats) and give credit to the offensive awareness of Green (underrated player probably), Leonard, Splitter, Diaw, Jackson, and Neal. Basically, the team is stacked with players who can create off the dribble, for others, and for themselves. Splitter has blossomed this seaon, mostly due to more opportunity (thus far, has career high 23.7 mpg and 33 starts).

It's not the same as what Nash did for the Suns (averaging 11+ assists) or what Rose did for the Bulls a couple years ago. Derrick Rose averaged 25 and 7.7 and 37+ mpg for a really slow team that only scored 98.6 ppg. The Spurs on the other hand average 104+ ppg and their bench leads the league in assists (10.5 apg), and have a coach who can win games without his best players.

If the season ended now, Parker would be the first MVP in history to average only 32.9 minutes a game.

RoundMoundOfReb 02-20-2013 01:50 PM

Re: Tony Parker 2012-2013 MVP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SCdac
I watch nearly every Spurs game and I just don't see it. It would be giving an MVP award basically to "best scorer on a team with the best record" which is not what the MVP is. Lebron at his peak is more than that. Shaq at his peak is more than that.

Parker's basically been playing the way he has the last 6 years, give or take a dry spell/injury ridden season. He is indeed playing excellent as of late and is very much a veteran. Best offensive player currently on the Spurs (Duncan and Manu are getting old), sure, but most valuable player in the league? Hardly. Throw Parker on the Bobcats and he's not turning that team around the way a Lebron or Durant would.

Parker's thriving in a system (largely penetrate, and kick out to shooters), but the system is not really designed for him to dominate the ball and play creation. The offensive is very sharing on the Spurs. By virtue of his position Parker runs the team (and his improved greatly over the years), but Tim Duncan's usage-% is still very high (was the Spurs MVP in the first couple months), so is Ginobili's (has really great value that doesn't readily show up in stats) and give credit to the offensive awareness of Green (underrated player probably), Leonard, Splitter, Diaw, Jackson, and Neal. Basically, the team is stacked with players who can create off the dribble, for others, and for themselves. Splitter has blossomed this seaon, mostly due to more opportunity (thus far, has career high 23.7 mpg and 33 starts).

It's not the same as what Nash did for the Suns (averaging 11+ assists) or what Rose did for the Bulls a couple years ago. Derrick Rose averaged 25 and 7.7 and 37+ mpg for a really slow team that only scored 98.6 ppg. The Spurs on the other hand average 104+ ppg and their bench leads the league in assists (10.5 apg), and have a coach who can win games without his best players.

If the season ended now, Parker would be the first MVP in history to average only 32.9 minutes a game.

:applause: repped...

Droid101 02-20-2013 01:50 PM

Re: Tony Parker 2012-2013 MVP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SCdac
It would be giving an MVP award basically to "best scorer on a team with the best record" which is not what the MVP is.

That's what it was when Derrick Rose won it. :confusedshrug:

SCdac 02-20-2013 01:51 PM

Re: Tony Parker 2012-2013 MVP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMT
Not saying he deserves the MVP, but the way the casual fan who knows next to nothing about how the Spurs operate is unbearable. "It's the system", "Their only good bc of their depth", ect. It's all bullshit. Give credit where credit is due. He sure as hell deserves to be up there in the conversation. If the Spurs were playing in the East they would probably up there around 50 wins, if not almost.


You got to admit, the Spurs are one of the deepest teams in the league, and do have arguably the best system (most methodical, well-run). No shame in acknowledging both Parker's impact and what the Spurs are at the same time.

niko 02-20-2013 01:53 PM

Re: Tony Parker 2012-2013 MVP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMT
How'd you come to this conclusion? Seems to me like you're pulling it out of your ass.

If Lebron doesn't play the Heat have two stars in Wade and Bosh who can carry the load, and some of the best role players in the league in Battier, Allen, Chalmers. Not saying they are still championship contenders obviously but they could make a run to the second round, maybe even the ECF. If TP doesn't play, we're missing the motor to our fine tuned offense and our true leader. Please tell me how exactly we'd be fine if Tony were to go down for the rest of the season. :oldlol:

Not saying he deserves the MVP, but the way the casual fan who knows next to nothing about how the Spurs operate is unbearable. "It's the system", "Their only good bc of their depth", ect. It's all bullshit. Give credit where credit is due. He sure as hell deserves to be up there in the conversation. If the Spurs were playing in the East they would probably up there around 50 wins, if not almost.


Fine was the wrong word and i went out of my way to say i'm not dissing Parker. But Parker is not an MVP candidate and the Spurs are not built for Parker to dominate. In a league with Lebron saying Parker is an MVP candidate to me makes no sense.

SCdac 02-20-2013 01:56 PM

Re: Tony Parker 2012-2013 MVP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Droid101
That's what it was when Derrick Rose won it. :confusedshrug:


Nah, Rose meant more to the '11 Bulls than Parker does to the current Spurs. Defensively, offensively, more minutes and production, just all around meant more. Sure, them both being scoring PG's there's a similarity, they're both clutch too, but Parker being the MVP of the league would water down the award IMO and put too much of a focus on team record... I mean lets be real, the Spurs have had the best record in the west the past 2-3 season. At that point, it's characteristic of the franchise, it's coach, and the system more than anything. Tim Duncan-effect too. His defense and overall presence would not be easily replaced.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:31 PM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Terms of Use/Service | Privacy Policy