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KevinNYC 02-24-2013 07:15 AM

How crazy was Christopher Dorner?
 
So crazy that his ex-partner heard that the two people killed in Irvine were related to Dorner's lawyer, the hair on the back of her neck stood up and she thought he must somehow be connected. This was the same woman that Dorner accused of abuse. When the cops followed her hunch and started looking at Dorner is when they found his online manifesto.

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Before beginning her night shift, she stopped in the police station's parking lot to talk with some other officers. The conversation turned to the Irvine killings. Evans had heard about the case, but knew no details. The dead woman, one of the officers said, was the daughter of Randy Quan, a former LAPD captain-turned-lawyer who represented LAPD officers in disciplinary hearings when they ran afoul of the department.

The hair on the back of Evans' neck stood up. Another wave of the shakiness she had felt on the phone washed over her. She struggled to make sense of her thoughts. Quan. Dorner.
......
"In my mind, it felt like such a long shot," Evans said. "But my gut feeling made it a lot stronger than that. I just knew. Something told me that there was some kind of a connection."

Right before the above happened she had gotten a call about Dorner.
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Evans, 47, received a message that an officer from a small department south of San Diego was trying to reach her. When she returned the call, the officer told her that he had found pieces of a large-sized police uniform, some ammunition and other items discarded in a dumpster that appeared to belong to an LAPD officer with the last name Dorner. Evans' name and other items were written in a small notebook found with the other things. The officer asked: Did Evans know this guy Dorner?

DMV2 02-24-2013 07:22 AM

Re: How crazy was Christopher Dorner?
 
Seems more than guilt trip from Evans for being an abusive cop than anything.

KevinNYC 02-24-2013 07:40 AM

Re: How crazy was Christopher Dorner?
 
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Originally Posted by DMV2
Seems more than guilt trip from Evans for being an abusive cop than anything.


Trying to follow your logic.

Are you implying Dorner didn't kill Quan and her fiance? Or that her hunch wasn't accurate and didn't lead the cops to Dorner's manifesto?

DMV2 02-24-2013 08:06 AM

Re: How crazy was Christopher Dorner?
 
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Originally Posted by KevinNYC
Trying to follow your logic.

Are you implying Dorner didn't kill Quan and her fiance? Or that her hunch wasn't accurate and didn't lead the cops to Dorner's manifesto?

She didn't know any details about the case of the Irving shooting but somehow her gut feeling/hunch was telling her that Dorner is connected somehow. Why would she automatically assume Dorner was involved without knowing the details? Maybe she knows he was out for revenge.

EDIT: Never mind. I overlooked this part of your post, "right before the above happened she had gotten a call about Dorner." I read the quote and thought it happened after. I assumed she made the connection without knowing any details.

johndeeregreen 02-24-2013 11:09 AM

Re: How crazy was Christopher Dorner?
 
I don't mean to burst your bubble, Kevin, but Christopher Dorner is basically considered a f*cking national hero by about half of ISH. Any criticism of his saintly actions will be swiftly condemned.

Real Men Wear Green 02-24-2013 11:23 AM

Re: How crazy was Christopher Dorner?
 
People on ISH like Dorner? I haven't been paying attention to the OTC of late.

johndeeregreen 02-24-2013 11:31 AM

Re: How crazy was Christopher Dorner?
 
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Originally Posted by Real Men Wear Green
People on ISH like Dorner? I haven't been paying attention to the OTC of late.

It works like this, they say his actions are unacceptable and they don't condone them but then admit they're cheering for him. Gives them the best of both worlds, they got to see cops die and also not feel bad about being thrilled about it because they'll be the first to tell you when you call them out that hey, we don't think it's right, but GO DORNER!!

LoPro4u2c 02-24-2013 12:13 PM

Re: How crazy was Christopher Dorner?
 
Former LAPD Officer Christopher Dorner's murderous rampage was put to an end in a shootout in the Big Bear area. Dorner is now dead but so is a San Bernardino County Deputy who was killed in that shootout. And so are 3 other people who did not know Dorner or know anything about his past problems with the LAPD.

Nothing can excuse the murders of innocent people. But during and after the Dorner manhunt, dozens of current and former Police Officers called or emailed Fox 11 Legal Analyst Robin Sax to tell her that the allegations Dorner posted in his online "manifesto" about the LAPD rang true. Allegations of racism, and a code of silence that protects bad cops.

Tonight, we investigate those issues in this Special Edition of True Crime Stories.

TRUE CRIMES PART ONE: The Allegations

Robin Sax and Phil Shuman look into Dorner's allegations that he was treated unfairly by the LAPD. We'll hear from current and former officers who make similar claims. And we'll talk about what the LAPD is doing to investigate the Board of Rights hearing that ended with Dorner being fired.

TRUE CRIMES PART TWO: The Hearing

We'll hear part of the videotaped testimony from the witness who was central to the Board of Rights hearing that ended with Dorner's dismissal from the LAPD. Robin Sax and Phil Shuman discuss what happens at these hearings. They also talk with attorney Brad Gage, who has successfully represented former officers in legal disputes with the LAPD.

TRUE CRIMES PART THREE: The Mind of a Killer

In Dorner's now infamous online rant, he asked that his brain be preserved for study because of his severe depression. Phil Shuman and Fox 11 Legal Analyst Robin Sax talk with Psychiatrist Dr. Mark Goulston about recognizing signs of depression and PTSD, and what can be done to help people struggling with mental illness.

TRUE CRIMES PART FOUR: Ramifications on the LAPD

Two of Dorner's victims, Jeremiah Mackay and Michael Crain were law enforcement officers. Both were shot dead by Ex-LAPD officer Christopher Dorner. Phil Shuman and Fox 11 Legal Analyst Robin Sax discuss the ramifications the Dorner case is having on the LAPD.



http://www.myfoxla.com/story/2131322...#ixzz2LpzPBHyx

I think the videos are in 4 parts.

Stuckey 02-24-2013 12:25 PM

Re: How crazy was Christopher Dorner?
 
so what was the motive?

I haven't been following this story

canadian

Anti Hero 02-24-2013 01:28 PM

Re: How crazy was Christopher Dorner?
 
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Originally Posted by johndeeregreen
It works like this, they say his actions are unacceptable and they don't condone them but then admit they're cheering for him. Gives them the best of both worlds, they got to see cops die and also not feel bad about being thrilled about it because they'll be the first to tell you when you call them out that hey, we don't think it's right, but GO DORNER!!

This guy acts like he roots for Jason Bourne to die in the movies... I kiid

KevinNYC 02-24-2013 04:01 PM

Re: How crazy was Christopher Dorner?
 
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Originally Posted by Stuckey
so what was the motive?

I haven't been following this story

canadian


His motive was revenge. He hated the LAPD and claimed they ruined his life. The fact that the first two people he killed were not cops by the daughter of a cop and her fiance proves that he wanted to cause great pain to folks he considered his enemies.

The facts are these 4 years ago he lost he job on the Police Force. When he was still a rookie on probation, his training officer (Sgt Evans above) said he needed to improve in several areas and then submitted an evaluation report on him listed his issues, using better judgments was one the areas he needed to improve. After the report was submitted against him, Dorner went to another cop and said he wanted to report that she had abused a man they were arrested by kicking him three times after he was handuffed, twice in the chest, and once in the face. The arrestee was severely mentally-ill homeless man who was causing a disturbance at a hotel, when the cops tried to get him to move along he took a swing at them and was tased and fell into some bushes. The cop Dorner told this to, told him that he was obligated to report her to internal affairs and he didn't want to do that, the cop then said he would have to report it if Dorner didn't.

There was an internal investigation. Evans was put on desk duty for several months. So we had a cop vs cop complaint, literally he said, she said. Some folks here have tried to portray this event as crossing Dorner crossing the The Blue Line of the cops, but the fact this was a dispute between cops not between cops and civilians. Internal Affairs investigated and civilian witnesses were interviewed and their testimony didn't back up Dorner.
Not one of the hotel employee witness of them said they saw any kicking. One said he had a clear view from about 20 feet away. Another said the homeless man ended up in a planter and the injury to his face was a scratch and probably came from a branch of the bushes.

Also the hotel employees were interviewed AT THE TIME OF incident, not just during the investigation weeks later. When another cop arrived on the scene, he saw the end of the incident and since police force was involved and a Taser was fired, he interviewed witness to see if force was justified. Nobody mentioned any kicking and all of them thought the cops did a good job. The homeless man didn't mention being kicked and the medical personnel who took care of him didn't see any bruising on his collarbone or his face that would be consistent with being kicked. With this evidence weighing against him and the fact that he had some other marks on his record (he didn't finish with his class at the police Academy because he shot himself in the hand and was suspended for a accidental discharge, he had already made complaints against other officers) the review board determined that Dorner was lying and had made up the report of the kicking to get back at Evans for giving him an unsatisfactory evaluation. The language they used was the civilian witnesses and the fact Dorner didn't report this until after she wrote him up, "irreparably destroy Dorner's credibility." They recommended he be fired. Dorner appealed this ruling, he had access to a police union attorney and his case before a civilian judge twice and they found no reason to over turn the ruling. The preponderance of evidence seems to go against Dorner.

The evidence that is cited in support of Dorner is that the scratch on the cheek was actually caused by a kick and the homeless man's father said his son had later mentioned that he was kicked. However, this is mitigated by the fact that the son was schizophrenic and could not be relied on. He would contradict himself often. When they try to handcuff him at the scene, he claimed he didn't have an arm. He said he was only kicked once in the face, not the three times Dorner claimed. He said it was a very dark, "almost black" skinned woman with dark hair. Evans is white with blonde hair. Then he later said light hair. So the father's testimony is hearsay from an unreliable witness. Also cited is the fact that Dorner's lawyer said he was being treatly unfairly. (To me this is severely mitigated by two things....what else would his lawyer say and the fact that Dorner killed this man's daughter in revenge. Yes the first victim he chose was his own lawyer's daughter.)

The forensic profilers who reviewed his manifesto said Dorner was a "malignant narcissist" which is what a lot of other serial killers are and that Dorner collected grudges and grievances to justify violence, also like a lot serial killers.

Stuckey 02-24-2013 07:01 PM

Re: How crazy was Christopher Dorner?
 
so why'd he go after the Quan family?


KevinNYC 02-24-2013 09:11 PM

Re: How crazy was Christopher Dorner?
 
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Originally Posted by Stuckey
so why'd he go after the Quan family?


He essentially said that the whole LAPD was conspiring against him and his own lawyer was part of the conspiracy.

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Never allow a LAPPL union attorney to be a retired LAPD Captain,(Quan). He doesnít work for you, your interest, or your name. He works for the department, period. His job is to protect the department from civil lawsuits being filed and their best interest which is the almighty dollar. His loyalty is to the department, not his client.

gigantes 02-25-2013 12:12 AM

Re: How crazy was Christopher Dorner?
 
at the end of the day, do you think this is some kind of brilliant insight in to the broken aspects of our civilisation?

what have you learned from this particular example? what do you hope to learn in the future? do you think people in the 'danger zone of action' are reading about these snafus and shitting their pants?

oh, sorry... "it's just headline news."

andgar923 02-25-2013 12:58 AM

Re: How crazy was Christopher Dorner?
 
RIP CHRISTOPHER DORNER

He died a martyr.


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