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Shade8780 03-05-2013 04:23 PM

Shabazz Muhammad vs Ben McLemore
 
The year of the shooting guard. Who do you think has a higher ceiling?

kNicKz 03-05-2013 04:33 PM

Re: Shabazz Muhammad vs Ben McLemore
 
Muhammad

Jailblazers7 03-05-2013 04:53 PM

Re: Shabazz Muhammad vs Ben McLemore
 
I bought into the McLemore hype but after watching both of them a little more I like Shabazz. Shabazz is better off the bounce and around the rim which makes me think his game will translate more easily to the NBA.

Patrick Chewing 03-05-2013 09:41 PM

Re: Shabazz Muhammad vs Ben McLemore
 
I think Shabazz's career is going to go the way of O.J. Mayo

Thorpesaurous 03-06-2013 12:51 PM

Re: Shabazz Muhammad vs Ben McLemore
 
I like McLemore more. Shabazz doesn't seem to have the really elite level athleticism I expected. And he plays with a bit of bully in him, which is a good thing in my mind, but I do wonder how far he can push that as an advantage. And his game is really polished in his footwork, which also makes me wonder how much more it can develop.

That said I've seen a ton more McLemore than Muhammad, who I've seen two full games of all season.

kNicKz 03-06-2013 12:56 PM

Re: Shabazz Muhammad vs Ben McLemore
 
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Originally Posted by Patrick Chewing
I think Shabazz's career is going to go the way of O.J. Mayo


He's definitely not going to be what he was hyped up to be last summer, but he will be solid in the NBA with more experience.

Grinder 03-06-2013 12:59 PM

Re: Shabazz Muhammad vs Ben McLemore
 
I think Shabazz is a better NBA prospect. McLemore has elite athleticism and great shooting ability but he lacks advanced ball skills. Unless he drastically improves his ball handling and shot creation off the bounce, he'll likely be a catch and shoot guy who's also dangerous in transition ala OJ Mayo (what he was projected to be) or J-Rich. Shabazz has a high motor, can defend, and can score in a plethora of ways from all parts of the floor. That kind of versatility and one on one ability will serve him better in the NBA where he'll have more room to operate than he does in college. He doesn't have Harden's handles or playmaking ability but I see a lot of similarities in their game as college freshmen.

Thorpesaurous 03-06-2013 01:34 PM

Re: Shabazz Muhammad vs Ben McLemore
 
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Originally Posted by Grinder
I think Shabazz is a better NBA prospect. McLemore has elite athleticism and great shooting ability but he lacks advanced ball skills. Unless he drastically improves his ball handling and shot creation off the bounce, he'll likely be a catch and shoot guy who's also dangerous in transition ala OJ Mayo (what he was projected to be) or J-Rich. Shabazz has a high motor, can defend, and can score in a plethora of ways from all parts of the floor. That kind of versatility and one on one ability will serve him better in the NBA where he'll have more room to operate than he does in college. He doesn't have Harden's handles or playmaking ability but I see a lot of similarities in their game as college freshmen.



Granted I haven't seen much, but Muhammad actually reminds me of a little version of Carmello. A lot of mid range action footwork wise, and physicality. And I agree that he's got a ton of ways to score. My concern is what happens if he's not an elite scorer (and that to me is what happened to Mayo, he just wasn't the elite specimen he seemed to be in his youth. He actually has a pretty solid skill set off the bounce and shooting the ball, he's just a tweener in both quickness and size)? If what I feel like is just a notch below elite athleticism affects his ability to score at the hoop, and his ability to bully defenders, what else can he bring to the table if he's not "the man"? Especially since he's got "the man" mentality too. I could see him settling in as a bench offensive focal point kind of guy, who you can mix into your starting rotation to close games or if you're chasing down a lead.

I could see McLemore settling in to a JRich kind of a career. Or maybe even a more explosive bench role like JR Smith. But I think I'd be more inclined to gamble on the god given explosiveness and hope I could develop the creativity off the bounce, especially since the jumper is so far developed already.


This draft feels like a mess.

Jailblazers7 03-06-2013 02:19 PM

Re: Shabazz Muhammad vs Ben McLemore
 
I think my favorite player in this year's draft is Anthony Bennett.

Thorpesaurous 03-06-2013 03:25 PM

Re: Shabazz Muhammad vs Ben McLemore
 
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Originally Posted by Jailblazers7
I think my favorite player in this year's draft is Anthony Bennett.



Mine too. Although picking an undersized PF, even one as skilled and explosive as Bennett, is sorta like taking a safety first overall in the NFL draft. He's pretty much gotta be Larry Johnson as a prospect to pull it off.

But who else is it gonna be?

Burgz V2 03-06-2013 05:20 PM

Re: Shabazz Muhammad vs Ben McLemore
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jailblazers7
I think my favorite player in this year's draft is Anthony Bennett.


Toronto! :rockon:

He's really undersized but at worst case scenario i could see him being like a Jason Maxiell which is not terrible.

As for Shabazz. Let me start off by saying a lot of questions must be asked about a guy who sat out ten games and gained that much weight like he did. I understand if it's an injury and you aren't playing much and you don't change your habits drastically + age and maturity level to understand that's what needed to be done. But that was not the case at all. He had no reason to show up for his first game THAT out of shape. I understand not having game legs or the conditioning 100% but 20 lbs overweight!? Why am I not surprised he plays for Howland?:rolleyes:

As for McLemore, haven't seen a red-shirt freshman come back so much better than was expected of him so quickly. He's really improved his game a lot. He really needs to work on his handle, he's pretty predictable and seems to go to a very limited amount of moves. To his credit, he can blow by pretty much anyone at this level but in the NBA that isn't going to work. He's listed at 6'4 1/2 but he looks a lot bigger to me?:confusedshrug: I don't know, might be the Paul Harris thing all over again :lol

Anyways, if Shabazz can pull it together and really make sure he's in shape im pretty sure he'll be much more athletic than he is now. He was doing things last year he can't right now because of the timing of his comeback and the lack of time to really get in the gym and bust his ass. He has all the tools he just needs to keep them sharp.

Shabazz is a more advanced offensive player than McLemore, and may end up the better player when all is said and done. The tourney does wonders for many players so maybe he can climb back to top spot in the scouts eyes wth a good showing (granted they make it) because, let's face it, McLemore is going to be better all-around at the combine. After that is workouts and I don't think McLemore would do anything other than a solo workout if he is a top 5 lock, same with Shabazz.

Goliath Uterus 03-06-2013 05:50 PM

Re: Shabazz Muhammad vs Ben McLemore
 
I think Shabazz is the more complete player at this point, especially offensively. However, I think McLemore's ceiling is higher. Once his ball handling improves I see a perennial all star.

Jailblazers7 03-06-2013 10:25 PM

Re: Shabazz Muhammad vs Ben McLemore
 
I think Bennett's floor is like a Anthony Mason type of guy but has the potential to be the next Larry Johnson.

ace23 03-07-2013 06:38 PM

Re: Shabazz Muhammad vs Ben McLemore
 
Had no idea who Larry Johnson was before Googling.

Burgz V2 03-07-2013 06:48 PM

Re: Shabazz Muhammad vs Ben McLemore
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ace23
Had no idea who Larry Johnson was before Googling.


you must be pretty young then, he's a pretty popular player from the 90s


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