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skillswithaz 02-10-2007 01:45 PM

Knicks and Wolves deal simulated...
 
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...18~18~16~16~16

I think that this could be helpful to both teams. The Knicks have way to many guards and they can get rid of Francis, who can still play btw, not as good as he used to, but he'd be an asset to the Wolves. They also get rid of Robinson, who doesn't get any playing time anymore due to Marbury and Crawford playing so well. Eddy Curry, the backbone of this team has to leave in order to make the trade viable. The Wolves get a consistent score who gets better with every game.

Meanwhile, they finally can unload KG. He'll never admit it, but he wants to get the hell out of Minnesota.

So the Knicks get a starting line-up of
PG: Marbury
SG: Jamal Crawford
SF: Quentin Richardson
PF: Kevin Garnett
C: Channing Frye

Marbury's best attribute is his ability to penetrate and create. This works perfectly in this starting line-up. He can dish the ball off to two great scorers (Q-Rich, and Crawford), can hit either of their two very versatile big men (KG, and Frye), for a shot, or can drive the ball in himself.

Frye could never work well with Curry because Curry always needed to be down in the low post. KG and Frye can both work the post or hit a nice 18 footer. They can practically take turns and keep the defense on their toes. And they're both good passers (one of Curry's worst abilities). Another one of Curry's worst abilities, rebounding, is completely covered by a top 5 rebounder in the NBA, KG.

Then, on the bench, there is Mardy Collins who isn't a bad player, he just never got a chance to prove himself. Renaldo Balkman, an energy player who can do everything well except shoot the ball (they've got plenty of people who can do that). Jared Jeffries is a lock-down who belongs on the bench and can come into the game when needed. Isiah just needs to understand that he's not always needed. David Lee is the sixth man of this team and will get plently of minutes. (can you imagine having two of the top rebounders in the league on one team?) Malik Rose will play occasionally when needed but isn't that important (he still can play good D and works his <Censored> off). Jerome James and Kelvin Cato will be helpful when Frye can't play D against some of the bigger centers in the league (Yao, Howard, Amare, etc).

The Wolves starting line-up will be
PG: Randy Foye
SG: Steve Francis
SF: Ricky Davis
PF: Eddie Griffin
C: Eddy Curry

Trenton Hassel coming off the bench when Steve Francis can't play D against bigger shooting guards. Other than that, remember that Kevin McHale doesn't always make the greatest choices. But I can't see the Wolves getting a better deal than this anytime soon.

Tell me what you think

bigdaddybluesman 02-10-2007 02:28 PM

Re: Knicks and Wolves deal simulated...
 
Sounds like you thought this out and have some good ideas.

But in the real world it will never happen, it's all fantasy.

Teams do not trade players they trade contracts. It's all about salary and cap issues. That's one reason it's so hard to turn over a roster into something that will actually help you. Most times it just gives you a fresh group of players and you hope there is more chemistry than before.

I can't really remember a multi player trade ever really helping either team that much. Maybe someone can bring some to light here.

Usually a team is missing a key ingredient and makes a move that brings them over the top. The Pistons did that by bringing in Rasheed Wallace. He gave them the player they needed to win the championship. I really don't remember the players they gave up for him and Portland hasn't done anything positive in the playoffs with whatever they did get for him.

Good try but it's pure fantasy.

Jerz Netz 02-10-2007 02:29 PM

Re: Knicks and Wolves deal simulated...
 
no way in hell the wolves would do it

Amigo 02-10-2007 02:42 PM

Re: Knicks and Wolves deal simulated...
 
I would like to see the Marbury and Garnett connection again just like in Minnesota back in the day. Them being Knicks together would make it even sweeter.

I don't see this deal happening though. I'd love to see it though. We can still dream, right?:confusedshrug:

skillswithaz 02-10-2007 06:04 PM

Re: Knicks and Wolves deal simulated...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdaddybluesman
Sounds like you thought this out and have some good ideas.

But in the real world it will never happen, it's all fantasy.

Teams do not trade players they trade contracts. It's all about salary and cap issues. That's one reason it's so hard to turn over a roster into something that will actually help you. Most times it just gives you a fresh group of players and you hope there is more chemistry than before.

I can't really remember a multi player trade ever really helping either team that much. Maybe someone can bring some to light here.

Usually a team is missing a key ingredient and makes a move that brings them over the top. The Pistons did that by bringing in Rasheed Wallace. He gave them the player they needed to win the championship. I really don't remember the players they gave up for him and Portland hasn't done anything positive in the playoffs with whatever they did get for him.

Good try but it's pure fantasy.


They traded him to the Hawks for some people and then the Hawks traded him for Bob Sura. I was so mad the Hawks did that because it pretty much gave the Pistons the championship in exchange for an underachieving guard whose only time he ever started was at Atlanta. But yeah, I understand where you're coming from, I tried to make it as realistic as possible but such things don't happen 90% of the time. And it might be a bad move to make right after Curry just stated that he really liked Isiah.

knickscity 02-11-2007 02:56 AM

Re: Knicks and Wolves deal simulated...
 
I can't see why the Wolves would do this deal. If it could happen it would be great as long as KG is willing to play Center. Frye is awful on defense and won't try to score in the paint. The Rasheed thing was architected for detroit to get Rasheed. Atlanta had things to make the trade work. It was basically a release to the Pistons for a marginal player.

jt24 02-12-2007 12:18 PM

Re: Knicks and Wolves deal simulated...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by skillswithaz
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...18~18~16~16~16

I think that this could be helpful to both teams. The Knicks have way to many guards and they can get rid of Francis, who can still play btw, not as good as he used to, but he'd be an asset to the Wolves. They also get rid of Robinson, who doesn't get any playing time anymore due to Marbury and Crawford playing so well. Eddy Curry, the backbone of this team has to leave in order to make the trade viable. The Wolves get a consistent score who gets better with every game.

Meanwhile, they finally can unload KG. He'll never admit it, but he wants to get the hell out of Minnesota.

So the Knicks get a starting line-up of
PG: Marbury
SG: Jamal Crawford
SF: Quentin Richardson
PF: Kevin Garnett
C: Channing Frye

Marbury's best attribute is his ability to penetrate and create. This works perfectly in this starting line-up. He can dish the ball off to two great scorers (Q-Rich, and Crawford), can hit either of their two very versatile big men (KG, and Frye), for a shot, or can drive the ball in himself.

Frye could never work well with Curry because Curry always needed to be down in the low post. KG and Frye can both work the post or hit a nice 18 footer. They can practically take turns and keep the defense on their toes. And they're both good passers (one of Curry's worst abilities). Another one of Curry's worst abilities, rebounding, is completely covered by a top 5 rebounder in the NBA, KG.

Then, on the bench, there is Mardy Collins who isn't a bad player, he just never got a chance to prove himself. Renaldo Balkman, an energy player who can do everything well except shoot the ball (they've got plenty of people who can do that). Jared Jeffries is a lock-down who belongs on the bench and can come into the game when needed. Isiah just needs to understand that he's not always needed. David Lee is the sixth man of this team and will get plently of minutes. (can you imagine having two of the top rebounders in the league on one team?) Malik Rose will play occasionally when needed but isn't that important (he still can play good D and works his <Censored> off). Jerome James and Kelvin Cato will be helpful when Frye can't play D against some of the bigger centers in the league (Yao, Howard, Amare, etc).

The Wolves starting line-up will be
PG: Randy Foye
SG: Steve Francis
SF: Ricky Davis
PF: Eddie Griffin
C: Eddy Curry

Trenton Hassel coming off the bench when Steve Francis can't play D against bigger shooting guards. Other than that, remember that Kevin McHale doesn't always make the greatest choices. But I can't see the Wolves getting a better deal than this anytime soon.

Tell me what you think



no chance in hell, first of all min isnt trading kg, second of all kg wouldnt agree to come here he wants to play for a contender

j Fresh 02-12-2007 07:56 PM

Re: Knicks and Wolves deal simulated...
 
I'm tired of the Garnett becoming a Knick talks,let's just appreciate what we have and deal with it? :confusedshrug: :rolleyes:

MTing 02-12-2007 08:11 PM

Re: Knicks and Wolves deal simulated...
 
Seriously you guys arent gonna get KG

jt24 02-13-2007 07:04 PM

Re: Knicks and Wolves deal simulated...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MTing
Seriously you guys arent gonna get KG



no kidding, you have to remember there are alot of delusional knick fans out there, thank god im not one of them im realistic


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