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rhythmic †hesis 10-21-2013 04:03 PM

Is Steve Smith a HOFer?
 
Guy caught his 800th career reception yesterday.
He has always been one of my favorite players and despite him playing with pretty mediocre QBs for most of his career, he has put up some impressive career numbers.

Probably the toughest pound for pound player in the NFL.
Just take a look at him manhandling Sherman and laying Von Miller the **** out!

What's your opinion on him?

Carbine 10-21-2013 04:18 PM

Re: Is Steve Smith a HOFer?
 
**** no.

MavsSuperFan 10-21-2013 04:19 PM

Re: Is Steve Smith a HOFer?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rhythmic †hesis
Guy caught his 800th career reception yesterday.
He has always been one of my favorite players and despite him playing with pretty mediocre QBs for most of his career, he has put up some impressive career numbers.

Probably the toughest pound for pound player in the NFL.
Just take a look at him manhandling Sherman and laying Von Miller the **** out!

What's your opinion on him?

If tim brown cant make it in, I dont see how you put him in.

JimmyMcAdocious 10-21-2013 04:28 PM

Re: Is Steve Smith a HOFer?
 
I find him extremely unlikeable; he's obnoxious. Good player, tho.

JMT 10-21-2013 05:10 PM

Re: Is Steve Smith a HOFer?
 
No way. There's a laundry list of guys at his position who have accomplished as much or more who aren't getting in.

In today's pass-friendly game, a WR has to be transcendent to make the HOF. Smith is nowhere near that status.

zoom17 10-21-2013 08:09 PM

Re: Is Steve Smith a HOFer?
 
Steve smith is a badass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsZiH205pH0

clipse026 10-22-2013 11:30 PM

Re: Is Steve Smith a HOFer?
 
He's a punk ass scumbag and a piece of shit. **** this guy.

Just2McFly 10-23-2013 03:14 PM

Re: Is Steve Smith a HOFer?
 
His peak period as a wide out is legendary.

statman32 10-23-2013 03:42 PM

Re: Is Steve Smith a HOFer?
 
Not a HOF'er but one of the most entertaining, toughest WR's to play in the Modern NFL.

rhythmic †hesis 10-25-2013 05:03 PM

Re: Is Steve Smith a HOFer?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carbine
**** no.


Very insightful answer. :rolleyes:

Smith's numbers to date: 804 receptions, 11,787 yards, 66 TDs, 14.7 average in 13 seasons (174 games played)

Tim Brown: 1094 receptions, 14,934 yards, 100 TD, 13.7 AVG in 17 seasons (255 games played)

Mind you Smith's career isn't over yet. One season of his career has he had a QB that made it into the pro-bowl I believe (Steve Buerlein). Smith is one of the best playmaking receivers of all-time, especially in his prime. One of the best yards after catch receivers. His numbers are impressive despite never actually having an elite QB.

I believe Tim Brown is a definite HOF receiver, yet Smith's numbers are just as good.

Brown: 4.29 receptions/game, 58.56 yards/game, 0.39 TD/game, 13.7 AVG
Smith: 4.62 receptions/game, 67.74 yards/game, 0.38 TD/game, 14.7 AVG

Brown's top 3 seasons:

1) 1408 yards
2) 1344 yards
3) 1342 yards

1) 104 receptions
2) 91 receptions
3) 90 receptions

1) 11 TD
2) 10 TD
3) 9 TD

Smith's top 3 seasons:

1) 1563 yards
2) 1421 yards
3) 1394 yards

1) 103 receptions
2) 88 receptions
3) 87 receptions

1) 12 TD
2) 8 TD
3) 7 TD

Smith is also only 5'8, and one of the toughest receivers we've ever seen play this game. Guy is a terrific route receiver, great playmaker and a deep threat. He was amazing in EVERY post-season appearance. I still remember watching Carolina play Chicago and he absolutely destroyed them by himself. So he steps up in big games, unfortunately, he played his entire career for a very mediocre franchise without having a chance to play with a Peyton Manning, Tim Brady, or even Tony Romo caliber Qbs. I think he has done exceptionally well with what he had. Plus, he is a great leader on the field and could have asked Carolina to trade him a long time ago; but he's a team player and is very loyal. Gotta respect those qualities.

I can see Smith playing 3-4 more years after this season and he'll accumulate numbers close to Brown's if he's healthy (and he's rarely injured). So I don't know why you were so quickly to dismiss his place in history?

Carbine 10-25-2013 05:25 PM

Re: Is Steve Smith a HOFer?
 
I know Smith is a great player, I still believed in him as an elite wideout the couple seasons before Cam got their when pretty much everyone wrote him off as a declining player.

You don't need to go into the type of player Smith is, I know what he was/is..... but he's not a HOF wideout.

He's 29th on the current Receptions list. Best case scenario he finishes top 10 when he retires.

24th on yards, best case he ends up top 10.

T42nd in touchdowns, best case he ends up top 20.

Tim Brown was top 3 in all major stat categories when he retired I believe and he still can't get in. It took Carter numerous times to get in and he was 4th, 2nd and 2nd in the three major stats when he retired.

Smith is going to be lucky to end up top 10 in two categories and top 20 in another. He's not going to make it.

rhythmic †hesis 10-25-2013 05:32 PM

Re: Is Steve Smith a HOFer?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carbine
I know Smith is a great player, I still believed in him as an elite wideout the couple seasons before Cam got their when pretty much everyone wrote him off as a declining player.

You don't need to go into the type of player Smith is, I know what he was/is..... but he's not a HOF wideout.

He's 29th on the current Receptions list. Best case scenario he finishes top 10 when he retires.

24th on yards, best case he ends up top 10.

T42nd in touchdowns, best case he ends up top 20.

Tim Brown was top 3 in all major stat categories when he retired I believe and he still can't get in. It took Carter numerous times to get in and he was 4th, 2nd and 2nd in the three major stats when he retired.

Smith is going to be lucky to end up top 10 in two categories and top 20 in another. He's not going to make it.


That's a poor analogy though bro.
When Cris Carter & Tim Brown were nominated; there were FAR less competition.

Smith on a per game basis has better numbers than Tim Brown.

-p.tiddy- 10-25-2013 05:34 PM

Re: Is Steve Smith a HOFer?
 
Lynn Swann has like half of Smith's career numbers...

sometimes the HOF cares about numbers, and sometimes it doesn't...

If Smith were to ever be the #1 WR on a Super Bowl winning team this debate would be different...HOF voters overrate players because of rings, just like fans do. They are simple minded...you were a champion?...oh you're awesome then!

Real Men Wear Green 10-25-2013 05:57 PM

Re: Is Steve Smith a HOFer?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carbine
I know Smith is a great player, I still believed in him as an elite wideout the couple seasons before Cam got their when pretty much everyone wrote him off as a declining player.

You don't need to go into the type of player Smith is, I know what he was/is..... but he's not a HOF wideout.

He's 29th on the current Receptions list. Best case scenario he finishes top 10 when he retires.

24th on yards, best case he ends up top 10.

T42nd in touchdowns, best case he ends up top 20.

Tim Brown was top 3 in all major stat categories when he retired I believe and he still can't get in. It took Carter numerous times to get in and he was 4th, 2nd and 2nd in the three major stats when he retired.

Smith is going to be lucky to end up top 10 in two categories and top 20 in another. He's not going to make it.

While I think Brown will eventually get in it's looking bad for Smith. It's not even just about stats. Just look at the amount of negative reaction in this thread. None of these guys are HOF voters but for a guy to be a good bet for the HOF there should be a strong positive sentiment. And then, the way teams are throwing it these days his numbers are only going to look less impressive over time.

I'm rooting for him though, I hate to see guys like him and Fitzgerald that don't achieve all they should have because they didn't get to play with good QBs for significant parts of their careers.

Real Men Wear Green 10-25-2013 06:00 PM

Re: Is Steve Smith a HOFer?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by -p.tiddy-
Lynn Swann has like half of Smith's career numbers...

sometimes the HOF cares about numbers, and sometimes it doesn't...

If Smith were to ever be the #1 WR on a Super Bowl winning team this debate would be different...HOF voters overrate players because of rings, just like fans do. They are simple minded...you were a champion?...oh you're awesome then!

They didn't throw it in Swann's day the way they do today, so comparisons like that aren't fair. Anyway what got Swann in was Superbowls.


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