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DukeDelonte13 10-25-2013 01:24 PM

Redskins now gonna be the Bravehearts?
 
http://www.tmz.com/2013/10/25/washin...-mardirossian/


if true that's pretty lame.

RoundMoundOfReb 10-25-2013 01:43 PM

Re: Redskins now gonna be the Bravehearts?
 
Lame

MavsSuperFan 10-25-2013 01:58 PM

Re: Redskins now gonna be the Bravehearts?
 
More lame than using a racial slur as a team name?

Look I know almost 100% of the time in 2013 redskin fans dont mean redskin as a slur, but study a little of our history. American soldiers meant redskins as a slur for native americans. considering the historical context of the word and what white people did to native Americans (genocide is worse than slavery, which is already unimaginably evil), I dont even see how this is a debate.

Eg. "lets scalp some redskins"

The only reason this is a debate is native american populations have been depleted to the extent that they are too small a portion of the population to do anything.

niko 10-25-2013 03:29 PM

Re: Redskins now gonna be the Bravehearts?
 
They are going to have to change the name, that much is clear. The fact they have tradition, etc. doesn't excuse having a name which is a slur. The funniest thing i think is people who talk about the cost to the Redskins, etc. because they are going to make an utter crapload of money getting everyone to buy new jerseys, etc.

(Note: I hear fans get all up in arms, it has NOTHING to do with you at all, with your love of your team, with how cool your team is, your team's history, etc. They have a name that's offensive to some and that's not something football wants or needs to deal with for any reason. People argue sometime like people are saying they are racist.)

If the "Bravehearts" win a super bowl everyone will be happy and dancing and not give a shit the name changed. Plus think of all the cool Mel Gibson references you can make.

knickballer 10-25-2013 03:51 PM

Re: Redskins now gonna be the Bravehearts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MavsSuperFan
More lame than using a racial slur as a team name?

Look I know almost 100% of the time in 2013 redskin fans dont mean redskin as a slur, but study a little of our history. American soldiers meant redskins as a slur for native americans. considering the historical context of the word and what white people did to native Americans (genocide is worse than slavery, which is already unimaginably evil), I dont even see how this is a debate.

Eg. "lets scalp some redskins"

The only reason this is a debate is native american populations have been depleted to the extent that they are too small a portion of the population to do anything.


:facepalm

Who gives a shit? I can't stand all the press this issue receives because it's a god damn sports franchise. There's nothing even racist about the name Washington has used but people like you just argue for the sake of it.

Just because they named their franchise the Redskins it doesn't correlate to the killing of native americans.. Only liberals like you will twist the name and give it a impractical meaning.

If anything just name the team "Skins" kinda like how the Tampa Bay Rays.

niko 10-25-2013 04:06 PM

Re: Redskins now gonna be the Bravehearts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by knickballer
:facepalm

Who gives a shit? I can't stand all the press this issue receives because it's a god damn sports franchise. There's nothing even racist about the name Washington has used but people like you just argue for the sake of it.

Just because they named their franchise the Redskins it doesn't correlate to the killing of native americans.. Only liberals like you will twist the name and give it a impractical meaning.

If anything just name the team "Skins" kinda like how the Tampa Bay Rays.

Redskins is a slur. They weren't using it as a slur but it is a slur. Why would the NFL want one of their team names to be a slur?

Is it a huge deal? No. But that doesn't mean it should be ignored and left alone forever. I'm not feeling the argument that a football team's name HAS to be left a slur because it's fans will miss it too much.

Essentially if it's such a "who gives a shit" thing, then you change the name.

-p.tiddy- 10-25-2013 04:17 PM

Re: Redskins now gonna be the Bravehearts?
 
If it were up to me it would remain "Redskins"...that is what I grew up with and I would like to keep it the way I remember it...

but due to the fact that it is a certainty that it will change, I would like something better than "Bravehearts"...:facepalm All that name does is make me think of the movie Braveheart, which has nothing to do with Native Americans...


"Washington Warriors"
"Reds"
"Redhawks"

or

"Cherokees"
"Indians"
"Braves" without the "heart"
etc
etc

there are many better choices available IMO

niko 10-25-2013 04:26 PM

Re: Redskins now gonna be the Bravehearts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by -p.tiddy-
If it were up to me it would remain "Redskins"...that is what I grew up with and I would like to keep it the way I remember it...

but due to the fact that it is a certainty that it will change, I would like something better than "Bravehearts"...:facepalm All that name does is make me think of the movie Braveheart, which has nothing to do with Native Americans...


"Washington Warriors"
"Reds"
"Redhawks"

or

"Cherokees"
"Indians"
"Braves" without the "heart"
etc
etc

there are many better choices available IMO


I prefer something like RED SUCK

Real Men Wear Green 10-25-2013 04:47 PM

Re: Redskins now gonna be the Bravehearts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by knickballer
There's nothing even racist about the name Washington has used but people like you just argue for the sake of it.

The team fans aren't being racists when they say it but anyone that knows the etymology of the term knows that it was first spouted by racists that wanted to be insulting. There are indians out there that are offended by it and out of respect for their feelings and what their people were put through by the people that called them that word changing the name is a good idea.

MavsSuperFan 10-25-2013 06:00 PM

Re: Redskins now gonna be the Bravehearts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by knickballer
:facepalm

Who gives a shit? I can't stand all the press this issue receives because it's a god damn sports franchise. There's nothing even racist about the name Washington has used but people like you just argue for the sake of it.

Just because they named their franchise the Redskins it doesn't correlate to the killing of native americans.. Only liberals like you will twist the name and give it a impractical meaning.

If anything just name the team "Skins" kinda like how the Tampa Bay Rays.

i have already said that I dont think people in 2013 use the name redskins, and mean any harm. Most people are probably ignorant of the horrific crimes our government and previous white governments have committed on native americans. Everything from forced assimilation, forced removal from their homelands and placing them on reservations, breaking treaties, even sterilization policies. the american government even ordered railways constructed specifically to transport our soldiers to hunt bison till extinction, in an attempt to remove a resource from the natives.

George Washington ordering the Gnadenhutten massacre
The Indian Removal Act of 1830 causing the trail of tears
Andrew Jackson and his policies towards natives.

The list is almost endless.

Although during the 19th century western scholars estimated the pre-columbian native population at about 10 million people, modern scholars with more advanced anthropological evidence now believe that the number is more accurately 50 million people with some anthropologists arguing that the population was over 100 million people.
Source http://books.google.ca/books?id=NPoA...illion&f=false

people don't realize how badly europeans ****ed over native americans.

the bolded part just shows your ignorance of our history. Redskins is the racist slur for native americans. It just is, our history and the origin of that term is what makes it racist. Not anything I do.

longtime lurker 10-25-2013 07:59 PM

Re: Redskins now gonna be the Bravehearts?
 
They should change the team name but Bravehearts sounds so lame. They should change it to a name that's a tribute to the Native American culture.

IlliniFan 10-25-2013 08:12 PM

Re: Redskins now gonna be the Bravehearts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by knickballer
:facepalm

Who gives a shit? I can't stand all the press this issue receives because it's a god damn sports franchise. There's nothing even racist about the name Washington has used but people like you just argue for the sake of it.

Just because they named their franchise the Redskins it doesn't correlate to the killing of native americans.. Only liberals like you will twist the name and give it a impractical meaning.

If anything just name the team "Skins" kinda like how the Tampa Bay Rays.


Glad the resident racist of ISH has decided to chime in on this topic as well

IlliniFan 10-25-2013 08:12 PM

Re: Redskins now gonna be the Bravehearts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by knickballer
:facepalm

Who gives a shit? I can't stand all the press this issue receives because it's a god damn sports franchise. There's nothing even racist about the name Washington has used but people like you just argue for the sake of it.

Just because they named their franchise the Redskins it doesn't correlate to the killing of native americans.. Only liberals like you will twist the name and give it a impractical meaning.

If anything just name the team "Skins" kinda like how the Tampa Bay Rays.


Glad the resident racist of ISH has decided to chime in on this topic as well

knickballer 10-26-2013 12:04 PM

Re: Redskins now gonna be the Bravehearts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IlliniFan
Glad the resident racist of ISH has decided to chime in on this topic as well


lol, just because I say the team should keep it's name I'm the "resident racist".. Get real

I also know about the crimes the Europeans committed against the Native Americans so you don't need to lecture me on the subject(referring to Mavs post)...:facepalm

Why aren't the KC Chiefs, Cleveland Indians and other sports franchises under the hot seat for their name?

Why aren't teams that use certain animals as their name/mascott get a free pass?

IlliniFan 10-26-2013 12:32 PM

Re: Redskins now gonna be the Bravehearts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by knickballer
lol, just because I say the team should keep it's name I'm the "resident racist".. Get real

I also know about the crimes the Europeans committed against the Native Americans so you don't need to lecture me on the subject(referring to Mavs post)...:facepalm

Why aren't the KC Chiefs, Cleveland Indians and other sports franchises under the hot seat for their name?

Why aren't teams that use certain animals as their name/mascott get a free pass?


It's not that alone. That comment is based on the past few years on ISH and your comments usually stick out..


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