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ncrizzle 11-14-2013 12:12 PM

Penny or McGrady: If never injured, who is better all time
 
Penny gut injured much earlier than Mcgrady, but his small sample size still showed greatness when he had not even reached his prime. Injury bug caught tracy a little later but still riddled his career. Both rocked the #1 jersey for the Magic, and both got to the finals and lost (not really relevant for mcgrady riding pine), both could have been greater. Who you got?

longhornfan1234 11-14-2013 12:13 PM

Re: Penny or McGrady: If never injured, who is better all time
 
McGrady...and it's not even close.

guy 11-14-2013 12:15 PM

Re: Penny or McGrady: If never injured, who is better all time
 
IMO T-Mac. I believe we saw enough of them, and Hill, to know how good they would've been.

tmacattack33 11-14-2013 12:16 PM

Re: Penny or McGrady: If never injured, who is better all time
 
Hard to say since we don't know if Penny would have been able to get better than what we had already seen from him in his second and third year in the league.

From what we saw, T-mac reached a higher level...in 2002 and 2003 in Orlando.

Teanett 11-14-2013 12:16 PM

Re: Penny or McGrady: If never injured, who is better all time
 
Grant Hill

Mass Debator 11-14-2013 12:18 PM

Re: Penny or McGrady: If never injured, who is better all time
 
McGrady

Chrono90 11-14-2013 12:21 PM

Re: Penny or McGrady: If never injured, who is better all time
 
Tmac

Nastradamus 11-14-2013 12:22 PM

Re: Penny or McGrady: If never injured, who is better all time
 
Grant vs Mcgrady would be more interesting. I doubt anyone can fully say Penny was or would have been better.

The Immortal 11-14-2013 12:23 PM

Re: Penny or McGrady: If never injured, who is better all time
 
Mac

Teanett 11-14-2013 12:27 PM

Re: Penny or McGrady: If never injured, who is better all time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nastradamus
Grant vs Mcgrady would be more interesting. I doubt anyone can fully say Penny was or would have been better.


Penny was enormously talented. remember, he was a true point guard at 6'7''.
impossible to say who would've been the best of those three.

scm5 11-14-2013 12:30 PM

Re: Penny or McGrady: If never injured, who is better all time
 
Tmac, easily.

Tmac gets such a bad rep for not making it out of the first round. If you look at his stats and the stats of his teammates, he's clearly not to blame. He's elevated his level of play in the postseason year after year while his team stinks it up.

Tmac in his prime would be able to give prime Jordan/Kobe/Lebron a run. Any of those 4 could outperform one another on any given night.

tmacattack33 11-14-2013 12:33 PM

Re: Penny or McGrady: If never injured, who is better all time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nastradamus
Grant vs Mcgrady would be more interesting. I doubt anyone can fully say Penny was or would have been better.


What? :biggums:

Penny > Grant Hill

And that is just from what we saw, and is not just speculation about Penny improving upon his second and third year.

Peak Penny was better than Peak Hill. And Peak Hill was likely his true peak. Penny may have improved upon his peak.

Teanett 11-14-2013 12:39 PM

Re: Penny or McGrady: If never injured, who is better all time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tmacattack33
Peak Penny was better than Peak Hill. And Peak Hill was likely his true peak. Penny may have improved upon his peak.


i actually have to agree.

scm5 11-14-2013 12:52 PM

Re: Penny or McGrady: If never injured, who is better all time
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tmacattack33
What? :biggums:

Penny > Grant Hill

And that is just from what we saw, and is not just speculation about Penny improving upon his second and third year.

Peak Penny was better than Peak Hill. And Peak Hill was likely his true peak. Penny may have improved upon his peak.


?????

Peak Penny put up 21/4/7 with 2 stls on .605 TS%.

Peak Hill put up 21/9/7 with 2 stls on .556 TS% or 26/7/5 on .565 TS%

Not only this, but Grant Hill was one of the best perimeter defenders in the league.

Nastradamus 11-14-2013 01:28 PM

Re: Penny or McGrady: If never injured, who is better all time
 
Hill didn't play with Shaq either. He put up Penny's assist numbers as a SF with average teammates.


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