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LALakerFan4Life 03-05-2007 10:29 PM

Fox News Ask Are Hip-Hop and Rap Music Going Out of Style?
 
Quote:

This is a partial transcript of "The Big Story With John Gibson," March 1, 2007, that has been edited for clarity.

JOHN GIBSON, HOST:
Time now for "Big Entertainment." Drugs, guns, sex: that's the message people are getting from much of hip-hop music. Well, now it looks like people might just be getting sick of it all.

Sales of rap and hip-hop are down, way down, about 21 percent just this last year. Bill Cosby has been speaking out against some of this hip-hop for years, saying that some of it puts down women, glorifies violence, and pushes the lifestyle of mindless bling gangsters.

So is rap music's push for a gangster lifestyle finally bad for business? Helen Little is the programming director of Power 105.1, a radio station for hip-hop and R&B music here in New York City.

So, sales down, somebody finally reacting to stuff that treats women bad and glorifies violence?

HELEN LITTLE, POWER 105.1 PROGRAM DIRECTOR: Partly. You've got to figure that there are a lot of people who have said I'm not going to participate in this because that's one of the things that is a message that people who are in favor of more positive music say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. And I think maybe that message is starting to sink in. But at the same time there are other issues that could be a part of that, such as the economy.

GIBSON: What do women say? I'm not going to everybody knows what these recordings call women. I don't need to say it here.

LITTLE: No, you don't.

GIBSON: I don't need to say it here. But women hear this stuff and they hear them being treated badly. This is pure misogamy in a lot of cases. So what do black women say to you about what you put on your radio station?

LITTLE: Well, I think the people that listen to the radio station one, I play edited versions of everything, so you don't hear that on the radio. So the people that have a concern, voice a concern, they also have the option, too. If you don't want to hear it and we're playing it, which we don't, you can turn it off.

At the same time, people that do have strong opinions usually aren't fans of the music. They express theirselves, they may even rally against it. But at the same time you do have women who will guiltily say well I don't like what they say, but I like the way it makes the dance I can dance to it and things like that.

GIBSON: Those are good reasons, but has there been sort of an ethic on the business side of this music business to push this stuff, and that maybe record executives are starting to say oops, maybe we pushed people too far?

LITTLE: Well, I don't know if it's necessarily been pushed. I found that even working in a record company that if it starts to take off, they follow it as opposed to they put it out there and if it starts to warm up, they go chasing it. Then they push it a little bit more and what happens also is, ok, this is starting to take off. Let's stay with this trend, let's see what else happens. Let's see if it's going to generate more dollars. So maybe now the fact that 21 percent down is going to wake up a few people and try something different. I don't know.

GIBSON: Helen Little is the programming director at Power 105.1, a radio station that plays hip-hop here in New York City. Helen, thank you very much for coming in.

LITTLE: Thank you.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256165,00.html

Damn, cats are going at Hip Hop hard right now

Sean77 03-06-2007 11:11 AM

Re: Fox News Ask Are Hip-Hop and Rap Music Going Out of Style?
 
What gets me is the hypocrisy of people who don't appreciate the subject matter of rap songs, but will listen to it anyway because they like the beat and flow. Chris Rock was talking real about it when he joked about women dancing to Lil' Jon's "Get Low," knowing full well how misogynistic the song is but dance to it anyway. If you're offended by it or don't appreciate the lyrics, don't listen to the song at all much less dance to it. Because then you look like hypocrite. You hate the song for what it's saying but you still jamming to it?

Be for it or against it, make up your mind, have some courage and actually commit to your convictions. Judging by the drop in sales, and the fact that for the first time in 12 years, there is no hip hop album among the top 10 bestsellers, seems some people are letting their objections to hip hop be known. But I'd expect a radio DJ to be neutral on it, they go by what the people want to hear and what the record companies pay them to play under the table by way of Payola. Every minute of radio time is like real estate given to the highest bidder, so of course they're not going to talk against the record companies and artist, that's like biting the hand that feeds you.

By the way, they were saying most of the people who object to hip hop's negative lyrics are the ones who aren't fans of it at all or object ot hip hop all together. But that would mean they'd never shell out money for a hip hop CD. So if hip hop sales are down by 21 percent, that means it's the actual hip hop fans and consumers who have lost interest in buying the CD's. So you can't say it's just the anti-hip hop people that's speaking out, it's hip hop fans as well that are expressing how tired they are.

j Fresh 03-06-2007 12:05 PM

Re: Fox News Ask Are Hip-Hop and Rap Music Going Out of Style?
 
Rap & Hip Hop are the only genre that make videos bragging about how much money and cars they have and how much b***es they pull

but not every Rapper does that

Rasheed1 03-06-2007 12:34 PM

Re: Fox News Ask Are Hip-Hop and Rap Music Going Out of Style?
 
The people who rail against rap the hardest are the people whose KIDS listen to it and they cant stop it from influencing their kids, so they do what most people in america do... they blame the music and the society for their kids problems... parents whose kids have giant pictures of Tupac and 50 cent on their bedroom walls have been p*ssed off for years.. the sad thing is that they dont have enough clout with their own kids so they go against the rappers... its the same in sports like basketball where these people hate the stars and the league because their kid is infatuated with it.....

All that Gangsta stuff wasnt a problem before white america became hooked on it... NOW... its a big problem..

From the music side.....hip-hop has lost its balance.... too much thuggish ruggish, and not enough of the other experiences that make life worth living.. hip hop used to be about alot more, but greed and profits have turned it from an artform to a pimp/hoe type of money making business..say anything for a dollar...

well, time for raping the artform is almost over

JtotheIzzo 03-06-2007 12:55 PM

Re: Fox News Ask Are Hip-Hop and Rap Music Going Out of Style?
 
First of all John Gibson is one of the biggest morons on Fox (and that is saying a lot).

Secondly hip-hop is nto going out of style, because it is here to stay.

It cannot continue to dominate the charts like it has since the millenium, but people will continue to put out good hip hop.

A break from the apex of mainstream music will benifit the genre as it excels as an underground art form and not under the glare of big media and the influence of big corporate labels where it currently resides.

The man (aka corporate america) pimped hip hop music and now it is time to toss that ho (hip hop) to the curb because now 'she's an old ho and she dont really look that good no mo' (too short quote). The mainstream has squeezed the life out of hip hop trying to get every penny possible, from catch phrases, to commercials, to movies, cashing in on 'funny jive talking negroes', but now it has been played out and the casual fans need a break because it has lost its appeal.

This is good for hip hop.

"Did you say Hammer?
Proper
Rap is not pop
If you call it that then stop."

Q-Tip

aahhsin 03-06-2007 02:17 PM

Re: Fox News Ask Are Hip-Hop and Rap Music Going Out of Style?
 
hip hop is only going out of style because of all that crap they give us.

there are no more lyricists, no more originality.

When you listen to Easy, he made a song for 7 minutes long telling about a story. Same with Cube.

its just the crap that they give us....

lamborgini galato...**** that song is just annoying.

Sean77 03-06-2007 02:27 PM

Re: Fox News Ask Are Hip-Hop and Rap Music Going Out of Style?
 
Yeah, hip hop needs to change because its audience is changing. Folk who listened to hip hop since its inception have a very different view of hip hop than the youngsters whose memories of hip hop icons can't go past Tupac, Biggie and Jay-Z. And they have a different view of hip hop because hip hop in general today has become very small-minded and self-limiting compared to hip hop up up to the late '90s. Intellectual/Conscious rap is now considered underground, and it's shame. Even though I've put my money into only Christian Rap since '96, I could at least respect dudes like Common and Mos Def and Talib, X Clan, Just-Ice, Jungle Brothers(list goes on) for not limiting their subject matter to guns, money, sex and drugs.

0ne50 03-06-2007 02:56 PM

Re: Fox News Ask Are Hip-Hop and Rap Music Going Out of Style?
 
Hip hop is like the movie business. back in the day somebody in the movie business decided to make movies more realistic. Profanity and nudity was added to make a movie feel more real. It went well, it made for better story telling. It was huge. Then someone felt that they could take it a step further and show people really having sex(porn). That too went well. But the movie business as a whole didn't gravitate to just doing pornografic movies.

Now with Hiphop, when it started to go for a more realistic feel, the majority of hip hop went that direction and so did the fans. Bad move!

notorious ai3 03-07-2007 05:06 AM

Re: Fox News Ask Are Hip-Hop and Rap Music Going Out of Style?
 
You guys have to realize who the source is here. Fox News is notorious for propagating ideas by asking questions that are not open minded and express their views. Then they can get these ideas into the heads of the conservatives who eat the **** up religiously, and they start to try to pull ****. Just look at the questions and how they are worded. They are pushing their agenda there. Very opinionated questions there. Just watch OutFoxed.

But trying to be on topic, I think that a lot of rap these days talks about the same **** and lacks substance. While there are some guys who can flow great, but aren't good at adding meaning to their songs (see The Game's "Doctor's Advocate"). Its all about riches and women and whatnot thrown over a nice beat. Bam! There is a hit. Its unfortunate that hip hop is in the state its in, and I see it taking a similar route that rock took.

If Big and Pac were still alive, things may be different. Perhaps hip hop has been its own worst enemy because of its violent nature killing off two of the best ever.


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