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[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]1987 Lakers (Regarded as one of the greatest teams of all time) road to the finals:
Denver 37-45: -1.14 SRS
Golden State 42-40: -2.53 SRS
Seattle 39-43: 0.08 SRS
2014 Miami Heat theoretical path to the finals:
Charlotte 43-39: -0.89 SRS
Toronto 48-34: 2.55 SRS
Washington 44-38: 0.48 SRS
If you think 10 years from now anybody will care about how "easy" the Heat's path was/is you're an idiot.[/quote]
[QUOTE=jlip]The Heat's Eastern Conference playoff run, based solely on the regular season records of their potential opponents, would not be much different than the Bulls first title run in '91.
Knicks- 39-43
76rs- 44-38
Pistons- 50-31[/QUOTE]
these two posts bring in ether:applause:
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[QUOTE=Trollsmasher]these two posts bring in ether:applause:[/QUOTE]
I don't see how. Those are two of the easiest routes to the finals ever. It actually makes the point...these last two years are extremely easy routes to the finals.
It doesn't cheapen the rings or anything like that...it just needs to be pointed out. It's just a night/day difference between conferences right now.
Also, the 91 Pistons are twice as good as any team currently in the East. So I wouldn't laugh them off. They were a lot better than their 50 win regular season as well...Isiah missed like half the season in 91 iirc.
If the Pacers don't get to the ECF...the Heat will have back to back finals appearances without beating 1 50 win team. That is absurdly easy.
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[QUOTE=DMAVS41]I don't see how. Those are two of the easiest routes to the finals ever. It actually makes the point...these last two years are extremely easy routes to the finals.
It doesn't cheapen the rings or anything like that...it just needs to be pointed out. It's just a night/day difference between conferences right now.
Also, the 91 Pistons are twice as good as any team currently in the East. So I wouldn't laugh them off. They were a lot better than their 50 win regular season as well...Isiah missed like half the season in 91 iirc.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it's not a knock on Miami. Not their fault.
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[QUOTE=All Net]Miami aren't bothered but yeah this is why we need top 16 teams in the playoffs[/QUOTE]
This
[QUOTE=Big#50]Lebron is still an all time talent. He took the easy way to a ring or whatever. He may not be a Duncan or Shaq but the dude is still great. No need to hate. Appreciate the game you love.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. Duncan/Shaq are better but LeBron is still great.
[QUOTE=plowking]He is a better player than Duncan ever was. That much is apparent from watching the game.
Shaq is better than both of them.[/QUOTE]
Lebron would not stand a chance of beating prime Duncan, assuming similar supporting casts.
That much is apparent from watching the NBA Finals. So, there's no debate here.
Duncan/Shaq is close, but Duncan did more with less.
[QUOTE=Lebron23]Lebron would be the goat forward if the Heat wins another championship this year.[/QUOTE]
Duncan is the GOAT forward. Again, there's no debate.
Four rings as the first option and defensive anchor, without All NBA - teammates, playing in the Western Conference during the Shaq/Kobe era.
only Player in NBA Playoff history to have over 500 blocks
only Player in NBA Playoff history to have over 1,800 defensive rebounds
only Player in NBA Playoff history to have over 4,500 + pt/ 2,500 + rb / 500 + blk
NBA Playoff record most defensive rebounds in a six-game series
NBA Playoff record most blocks in a six-game series
151 career playoff double-doubles, second most in NBA history only Magic has more (157)
Has the highest winning percentage out of any player of all of the 4 major sports teams in the last 17 years
15 straight seasons with 50 or more wins...
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lmfao at how mad people are at things the Heat cant even controll:oldlol: :oldlol:
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The heat will be 12-0 by the time the finals rolls around, if I had to be. We could be seeing an nba record 16-0 playoffs here. The team that comes from the west will be tired and banged up, and the heat will have had a week off before the series.
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All of their main competition is on the verge of getting eliminated in the first round. WTF you want them to do? It's not their fault. I wouldn't sleep on Toronto or Washington though.
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[img]http://edition.englishclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/asterisk.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=trabash]When did Toronto and especially Atlanta win their series? Have I missed something?
[B]Atlanta is by far the worst team in this year's Playoffs and a series ain't over till it's over[/B]. Stop this premature threads, same shit every year.[/QUOTE]
Have you seen Atlanta play?:wtf:
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[QUOTE=poido123]The first part is right, but then you fck it up in the second part. Although people don't mean that in the literal sense, but making a point of the level of competition in the 2 conferences.
Dallas, Memphis and Golden State are all better teams, Wiz are really hard to judge right now, they could easily fold up like a bad tent against a team like Miami. Toronto are not built to win a championship now, too young and inexperienced. Brooklyn are the most part old, and blow big leads because of it.[/QUOTE]
No team is perfect. I just don't see how Dallas is running Atlanta out of the building. Memphis versus Charlotte would be a defensive struggle for the ages and Brooklyn versus GSW would be an entertaining shootout.
I don't see how any of those teams a part of an upper echelon.
I'd actually take Atlanta over Dallas in 6.
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So how does a 16 game format help the Thunder beat Memphis or The Pacers to beat the Heat or the Houston from defeating Portland?
If the ultimate goal is to win a ring how does this 16 playoff format change the ultimate best team from winning a ring?
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[QUOTE=Just2McFly]No team is perfect. I just don't see how Dallas is running Atlanta out of the building. Memphis versus Charlotte would be a defensive struggle for the ages and Brooklyn versus GSW would be an entertaining shootout.
I don't see how any of those teams a part of an upper echelon.
[B]I'd actually take Atlanta over Dallas in 6.[/QUOTE][/B]
No, just no.
The Mavs could easily be up 3-2 against the Spurs right now. Essentially 4 of the 5 games played so far could have gone either way with 3 minutes left. And the only for sure of the series has gone to Dallas in game 2.
So the Mavs can do that to the Spurs without HCA...but they are going to lose in 6 to a Hawks team maybe 50% as good as the Spurs...while the Hawks have nobody on the team that could play Dirk 20% as good as Splitter has?
Look. Nobody is saying the Heat winning doesn't count. That is silly. But it's a clear advantage to play in the East all year and in the playoffs. It just is. You can coast to the 2 seed. You don't have play as many hard games. You get at least 1 round in the playoffs in which losing is impossible...
We just need to acknowledge the difference. That is all.
Making the finals four straight times, if they do, is going to historic regardless. And if they 3 peat...nobody is going to mention this stuff.
Conversely, if they do lose, then the competition stuff will be mentioned. And rightfully so. They are going to likely have back to back years not playing a 50 win team. And that is doubly hilarious because a good team would coast to 50 wins in the East.
Hawks over the Mavs in 6...:facepalm
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[QUOTE=FLDFSU]So how does a 16 game format help the Thunder beat Memphis or The Pacers to beat the Heat or the Houston from defeating Portland?
If the ultimate goal is to win a ring how does this 16 playoff format change the ultimate best team from winning a ring?[/QUOTE]
Oh, I think it definitely could change it.
These margins are small to begin with. Just a hypothetical...I'm not saying this was the case as the Spurs had a pretty easy road to the finals.
But just imagine a scenario in which one team in the finals is 10% fresher than the other because one team has had to play a handful of more competitive games to get there and they are worn down a bit. This happens in the NBA. Teams and players get worn down...
Am I saying I think that has happened to date for the Heat? Actually yes. I don't think the 12 Heat make it out of the West without Bosh. I think they lose to the Spurs or Thunder without Bosh in 12.
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[QUOTE=trabash]When did Toronto and especially Atlanta win their series? Have I missed something?
[B]Atlanta is by far the worst team in this year's Playoffs and a series ain't over till it's over[/B]. Stop this premature threads, same shit every year.[/QUOTE]
Lol. And yet they're winning their series. Another typical, LOL360DUNKYOLOESPNTOP10 kid.
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[QUOTE=Just2McFly]No team is perfect. I just don't see how Dallas is running Atlanta out of the building. Memphis versus Charlotte would be a defensive struggle for the ages and Brooklyn versus GSW would be an entertaining shootout.
I don't see how any of those teams a part of an upper echelon.
I'd actually take Atlanta over Dallas in 6.[/QUOTE]
:wtf: :biggums:
Dallas >>> Atlanta
It's not even remotely close. Atlanta won 39 ****ing games :oldlol: Dallas is better in every way. This isn't debatable. Dallas in 4, 5 at most.
Memphis >>> Charlotte
Again, this isn't close. Charlotte is basically a poor man's version of Memphis. Memphis in 5.
GS >>> Brooklyn
I've watched both teams extensively. Again, GS is better in every regard. lol at "shootout". GS's elite defense wouldn't have much of an issue shutting down the Nets offense. GS in 5. I'm a fan of both teams, so there's no bias here.
None of your comparisons make any ****ing sense. The western teams win every one of the those matchups with relative ease.
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I still can't believe there are people who try to pretend like there isn't a massive discrepancy between East and West. It's such a joke.
"Atlanta beats Dallas in 6"
"The Wizards would beat any western team"
"The Heat don't have an easy road to the Finals"
"West is overrated. East is just as good"
Are you people for real?
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You could flip it over and say getting battle hardened throughout the playoffs is more valuable than just beating poor teams until you meet the best of the best from the west.
Since when is playing poor competition better preparation for a final than good competition? Miami still have to beat the best team from the west, you realise they don' get a championship for winning the conference finals.
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[QUOTE=Just2McFly]I'd actually take Atlanta over Dallas in 6.[/QUOTE]
I'm assuming you mean healthy Atlanta with Horford. Otherwise, no they wouldn't win.
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People don't realize how injured the East became this year. I mean the Hawks would be a Top 4 seed if Horford doesn't go down. The Knicks were never healthy all year. Toronto and Chicago were supposed to tank when they traded players, while Dolan rejecting the trade for Lowry and Rose lost for the Bulls again. Brooklyn lost Brook Lopez for the season and were never at full strength early on and through out the rest of the year without Brook.
It would have been much more competitive. Probably not at the level of the West overall, but certainly could challenge some of the lower tier of the West. Toronto came close to being the only East team of sweeping 6 different Western Conference teams, which included Dallas and Memphis. It took epic comebacks from OKC and Golden State to prevent them from being the 6th and 7th teams.
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[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]People don't realize how injured the East became this year. I mean the Hawks would be a Top 4 seed if Horford doesn't go down. The Knicks were never healthy all year. Toronto and Chicago were supposed to tank when they traded players, while Dolan rejecting the trade for Lowry and Rose lost for the Bulls again. Brooklyn lost Brook Lopez for the season and were never at full strength early on and through out the rest of the year without Brook.
It would have been much more competitive. Probably not at the level of the West overall, but certainly could challenge some of the lower tier of the West. Toronto came close to being the only East team of sweeping 6 different Western Conference teams, which included Dallas and Memphis. [B]It took epic comebacks from OKC and Golden State to prevent them from being the 6th and 7th teams[/B].[/QUOTE]
I will never forgive salmons for blowing that game by giving kd a chance to hit a gamewinner on us. What a f*cking scrub
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Clinging to this concept of "asterisk" rings says much more about you thant it does Lebron or the Heat. It's pure haterade, and like someone said, no one will remember paths in the past few years. If the East is so easy, then Miami will EASILY get exposed by the West champ in the finals right? Maybe, but to simply ignore the eye test and just look at paper stats is ridiculous. Stop acting like Miami doesn't belong.
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[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Oh, I think it definitely could change it.
These margins are small to begin with. Just a hypothetical...I'm not saying this was the case as the Spurs had a pretty easy road to the finals.
But just imagine a scenario in which one team in the finals is 10% fresher than the other because one team has had to play a handful of more competitive games to get there and they are worn down a bit. This happens in the NBA. Teams and players get worn down...
Am I saying I think that has happened to date for the Heat? Actually yes. I don't think the 12 Heat make it out of the West without Bosh. I think they lose to the Spurs or Thunder without Bosh in 12.[/QUOTE]
But that didn't stop Miami from defeating the Spurs, or Miami from defeating the Thunder the year before. Both years MIA got pushed to 7 games in the ECF only to go on to win a ring. In 2011, Miami played 5 games in the ECF, and had a much easier road-based on games played-and still ended up losing to the Mavs.
At the end of the day, the best team will win the title. 16 team playoff won't change a thing; If X is the best team, they will ultimately prevail.
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[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]People don't realize how injured the East became this year. I mean the Hawks would be a Top 4 seed if Horford doesn't go down. The Knicks were never healthy all year. Toronto and Chicago were supposed to tank when they traded players, while Dolan rejecting the trade for Lowry and Rose lost for the Bulls again. Brooklyn lost Brook Lopez for the season and were never at full strength early on and through out the rest of the year without Brook.
It would have been much more competitive. Probably not at the level of the West overall, but certainly could challenge some of the lower tier of the West. Toronto came close to being the only East team of sweeping 6 different Western Conference teams, which included Dallas and Memphis. It took epic comebacks from OKC and Golden State to prevent them from being the 6th and 7th teams.[/QUOTE]
While I generally agree. That is no excuse. Miami's Wade missed like half the season trying to protect an injury and the Heat ended up with a top 2 seed.
The Knicks have ZERO excuse for missing the playoffs.
And BKN is even worse, they have Pierce, Johnson, and Williams...Don't want to hear about injury.
The only team (and they made it as a top 4) that is legit is Chicago.
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[QUOTE=mistergreens]Clinging to this concept of "asterisk" rings says much more about you thant it does Lebron or the Heat. It's pure haterade, and like someone said, no one will remember paths in the past few years. [B]If the East is so easy, then Miami will EASILY get exposed by the West champ in the finals right?[/B] Maybe, but to simply ignore the eye test and just look at paper stats is ridiculous. Stop acting like Miami doesn't belong.[/QUOTE]
:applause: Been saying it for weeks now. Whoever wins the West should then have no problem beating the living hell out of the "weaker" East winner.
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[QUOTE=FLDFSU][B]So how does a 16 game format help the Thunder beat Memphis or The Pacers to beat the Heat or the Houston from defeating Portland?[/B]
If the ultimate goal is to win a ring how does this 16 playoff format change the ultimate best team from winning a ring?[/QUOTE]
BECAUSE THOSE TEAMS WOULDNT EVEN START PLAYING EACH OTHER YOU DUMBASS :banghead: :banghead:
[IMG]http://espngrantland.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/bracket1152.jpg%3Fw%3D510%26h%3D496[/IMG]
You see the ****in' difference? Get it in your head already
How can anyone even be against this? From a pure competition/fairness standpoint, it doesnt get any more simple and fairer than this... but no, because this team plays in a city in the east, lets have them play different opponents.. retard
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So according to these matchups we would only have two teams from the east in the second round :oldlol:
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[SIZE="6"]after this playoffs.. lebron might have more finals appearances than series victories against 50+ win teams
5 NBA Finals
4 victories vs 50+ win teams
[/SIZE]
:biggums:
assuming he loses in the finals
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[QUOTE=fragokota]So according to these matchups we would only have two teams from the east in the second round :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
and now account for east teams playing weaker teams through the whole season :lol
pacers might drop out :roll:
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[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]BECAUSE THOSE TEAMS WOULDNT EVEN START PLAYING EACH OTHER YOU DUMBASS :banghead: :banghead:
You see the ****in' difference? Get it in your head already
How can anyone even be against this? From a pure competition/fairness standpoint, it doesnt get any more simple and fairer than this... but no, because this team plays in a city in the east, lets have them play different opponents.. retard[/QUOTE]
So how is that format going to allow the Thunder to beat Memphis? Or the Pacers the Hawks?
I will say it again.
WHO CARES IF THE 49ERS CAN BEAT THE BRONCOS IN THE SUPERBOWL! THE FACT IS THEY COULDN'T BEAT THE SEAHAWKS IN THE ROUND BEFORE!!
WHO CARES IF UGA CAN BEAT NOTRE DAME IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME! THE FACT IS THEY COULDN'T BEAT UA IN THE SEC CHAMPIONSHIP THE ROUND BEFORE!!
The point of the playoffs is to WIN the RING. Not to determine who the 2nd-16th best teams in the league. This format would never give you that.
If the Miami Heat can not beat the Spurs in the Finals, they might as well lose to the Bobcats in round 1.
AT THE END OF THE DAY THE BEST TEAM WILL WIN THE RING. 8 team conference, 16 team conference, 30 team conference. As long as you have brackets, and best of 7 game series, changing the the number of teams won't give a different ultimate winner.
You think Shaq's Lakers or Jordan's Bulls all of a sudden will lose because they had to play the Mavs in the first round, or in the case of Jordan, the Jazz in round 2?
CHANGES NOTHING AS IT RELATES TO WHAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR--CROWING A NBA CHAMPION.
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It is what it is brah. At the end of the day, the only people that'll be upset are ISH
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Something else you guys are forgetting...at least as it applies to the Heat.
Nobody cares that the Heat get to the Finals. Nobody. So the fact the "their road is easier" means nothing.
They have to WIN the Finals.
So one of those great Western Conference teams, if they meet Miami, should have ZERO problem beating down the "weak" Eastern Conference Champions.
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the two best teams meet in the finals and you get 7 chances to beat each other 4 times...no one really buys into the "asterisks shit"...sorry
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[QUOTE=Solefade]the two best teams meet in the finals and you get 7 chances to beat each other 4 times...no one really buys into the "asterisks shit"...sorry[/QUOTE]
Your ultimate point is correct about asterisks, but the two best teams don't always meet in the finals.
Many believe that the 49ers are the second best team last year, and for years, folks think that the best 4 teams in college football belong to the SEC.
But what is true is that the of the two that meet, one is the best team in the tournament, and that team will alway win.
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[QUOTE=JT123]Why are idiots acting like the Raptors and Wizards are still garbage? :facepalm
Have you guys even been watching the NBA this year? Tornto had the 3rd best record in the East since January 1st, better than the Heat! The Wizards are no joke either. Young up and coming team that can shoot the lights out from 3, and punish you inside with Nene and Gortat! Wiz are the team of the future, we are truly witnessing a changing of the guard in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
Because they are garbage
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[COLOR="Magenta"]To b fair
Heat are not a elite talented team themselves
A Washed up wade
a Bosh that picks n chooses wen he wants to show up in playoff games
Battier who has 1 gud game every series
Chalmers who plays like he's throwing the game at times
And They still dont have a true C, n Havent had 1 since LB Been there [/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=FLDFSU]So how is that format going to allow the Thunder to beat Memphis? Or the Pacers the Hawks?
I will say it again.
WHO CARES IF THE 49ERS CAN BEAT THE BRONCOS IN THE SUPERBOWL! THE FACT IS THEY COULDN'T BEAT THE SEAHAWKS IN THE ROUND BEFORE!!
WHO CARES IF UGA CAN BEAT NOTRE DAME IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME! THE FACT IS THEY COULDN'T BEAT UA IN THE SEC CHAMPIONSHIP THE ROUND BEFORE!!
The point of the playoffs is to WIN the RING. Not to determine who the 2nd-16th best teams in the league. This format would never give you that.
If the Miami Heat can not beat the Spurs in the Finals, they might as well lose to the Bobcats in round 1.
AT THE END OF THE DAY THE BEST TEAM WILL WIN THE RING. 8 team conference, 16 team conference, 30 team conference. As long as you have brackets, and best of 7 game series, changing the the number of teams won't give a different ultimate winner.
You think Shaq's Lakers or Jordan's Bulls all of a sudden will lose because they had to play the Mavs in the first round, or in the case of Jordan, the Jazz in round 2?
CHANGES NOTHING AS IT RELATES TO WHAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR--CROWING A NBA CHAMPION.[/QUOTE]
Most retarded piece of shit on this board
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[QUOTE=KingBeasley08]It is what it is brah. At the end of the day, the only people that'll be upset are ISH[/QUOTE]
If you're hearing rumors about the league lookin into it then it's bigger than ISH dude. The east is an embarrassment.
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[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]BECAUSE THOSE TEAMS WOULDNT EVEN START PLAYING EACH OTHER YOU DUMBASS :banghead: :banghead:
[IMG]http://espngrantland.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/bracket1152.jpg%3Fw%3D510%26h%3D496[/IMG]
You see the ****in' difference? Get it in your head already
How can anyone even be against this? From a pure competition/fairness standpoint, it doesnt get any more simple and fairer than this... but no, because this team plays in a city in the east, lets have them play different opponents.. retard[/QUOTE]
I support this. The only thing holding the league back from going with this model is the logistics of flying teams back and forth. Thats the same reason they go with the 2-3-2 format for the finals. If they start that 2-3-2 bullshit for earlier rounds then I'll just be satisfied with what we have now.
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[QUOTE=IncarceratedBob]Any of the 8 WC playoff teams would beat the Wiz in a 7 game series[/QUOTE]
Phoenix too,