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NashIzGod 03-16-2007 02:12 PM

Imagine if Cuban hired Avery sooner
 
Avery is obviously a better coach than Nelson. He would have had Dallas playing defense during the Nash-Dirk era on the Mavs. They would have been a lot better, and Nash might still be with the Mavs.

Who knows how many rings Dallas might have by now? :confusedshrug:

Just something to ponder on a Friday.

XxNeXuSxX 03-16-2007 02:43 PM

Re: Imagine if Cuban hired Avery sooner
 
Don Nelson has got to be the most underrated coach of all time.


He put that team together, he scouted and drafted all those players (Dirk, Nash, Howard). If you got rid of him sooner, they'd probably be in the lottery.

different107 03-16-2007 03:10 PM

Re: Imagine if Cuban hired Avery sooner
 
Avery came in at just the right time.

JtotheIzzo 03-16-2007 03:13 PM

Re: Imagine if Cuban hired Avery sooner
 
Avery came in pretty green

any earlier and he wouldnt have been ready

ExpatSunsFan 03-16-2007 03:15 PM

Re: Imagine if Cuban hired Avery sooner
 
Yeah, just the right time to scoop up all the credit.

The real problem with the pre-Avery Dallas teams was the GM. Seriously, a Nowitzki/Jamison/Toine front line? Who's idea was that?

Silent Mav 03-17-2007 11:34 AM

Re: Imagine if Cuban hired Avery sooner
 
That was Nellie's idea. His we'll outscore you plan. Nellie has been obsessed with point forwards since Paul Pressey. So that explains his infatuation with Walker. And when Nash left, Nellie was upset and really wasn't into it like he was. A lot of times he was sleepwalking through games. Even letting Avery coach while he was on the bench. If you aren't going to give it your best shot, it's time to walk away.

Izzo, you are right about him not being ready sooner. Avery always was a leader. And he learned things from his coaches. He's a mix of Pop and Nellie. And he has the luxury of having Del Harris on his bench.

And any credit he gets, he deserves. He didn't come in at the right time to scoop it up. Nellie has a great eye for talent. And makes excellent in-game adjustments (something Avery learned from him). But as history shows, Nellie's style of play is not conductive to winning it all. This does not mean he's not a fantastic coach. It doesn't mean Avery is a better coach. But Avery has an idea and a plan of what it takes to do more than just make the playoffs. And so far it's working.

kentatm 03-18-2007 07:55 AM

Re: Imagine if Cuban hired Avery sooner
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ExpatSunsFan
Yeah, just the right time to scoop up all the credit.

The real problem with the pre-Avery Dallas teams was the GM. Seriously, a Nowitzki/Jamison/Toine front line? Who's idea was that?



Actually, the moves that led to that lineup were the first signs of Cuban becoming a thriftier and smarter owner. After the WCFs loss to the Spurs, he realized that his payroll was getting out of control and the team could not win a title as constructed. Cubes and Nellie also knew that Dirk, Nash and Finley would be good enough to make the playoffs no matter who was around them so he started wheeling and dealing.

The Mavs were able to get rid of an expensive ass Nick Van Exel when his value was at an all time high. Seeing as he completely faded away the following season, NVE and change for Jamison was a good thing. The Mavs were also able to unload junk like Evan Eschmeyer and Antoine Rigaudeau. In a funny side note, Current Mavs coaches Avery Johnson and Popeye Jones were also traded to GS in that deal.

Of course the downside to the deal was getting serial cancer Danny Fortson.

For a good portion of the summer it looked like the Mavs lineup was going to be something like Nash/Finley/Jamison/Dirk/Raef. Problem was byt this time Raef had clearly worn out his welcome and had a monster contract (that he is STILL on). He was foul and injury prone and had actually lost his starting spot to Shawn Bradley of all people.

All the sudden the basketball gods smiled on the Mavs when the Celtics hired Danny Ainge as their GM. Ainge was a noted critic of Antoine Walkers game and had repeatedly bashed his play on air in his previous job as an announcer. Danny then made the one move that has cursed the Celtics since. He broke up Pierce and Walker by sending Toine (and his relatively short contract to Dallas for Raef LaFrentz.

The moves saved the Mavs a ton of money in the long run and also led to the current roster construction as Walker was traded for Jason Terry and Jamison was traded for Stackhouse and the pick that led to Devin Harris.



I also think Mavs fans are being spoiled babies when they look back on the Toine/Tawn year as a complete failure. Its not like they were destroyed by the Kings. 3 of the losses all went down to the last shot with Fin, Dirk and Nash all clanking off the rim to lose.

Silent Mav 03-18-2007 07:08 PM

Re: Imagine if Cuban hired Avery sooner
 
Kent, I don't think most fans look at it as a complete failure. It was more like not living up to expectations.

mavsfan4zindagi 03-24-2007 04:13 PM

Re: Imagine if Cuban hired Avery sooner
 
Looking back at it, the 04 season was definately worth it considering what we got in return for Walker/Jamison in trades. But that season unofficially ended when Nellie decided to stick Antoine at Center for large portions of the game near the end of the season.

I knew that a lineup of Walker/Jamison/Nowitzki/Finley/Nash never had a chance and that was probably the first(and only) time that I never had any hope as a Mavs fan.


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