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Nowitness41991 03-17-2007 07:55 PM

Facts that say Dirk is MVP
 
I hear alot of misinformed Phoenix and even some Dallas fans going around various forums saying that wednesdays double O.T victory for Nash made him "clearly in front of Dirk for MVP". Well this is BS.
If you want to nickel and dime here, then Dirk comes out on top simply because he led his team to go 2-1 vs the suns this year. Dirk even dropped 35 and 7 in the first game, and in the second he dropped 27 with 10 rebound and 10-11 from the free throw line against the suns those first two suns defeat, OH BUT WAIT, according to fans and NBA.com, only this recent mavs loss to the suns plays a role in the MVP race, why not the first 2 matchups where Dirk leads his team to overcome the suns twice in a row??? Nope, you only hear about the ONE game Nash finally comes through against the Mavs(even though it was pretty lucky). Also with a not to shabby performance by Dirk in this loss for the 1st time this season this past wednesday against the suns, he posted 30 pts 16 rebounds and 6 assists. Dirk played efficient and unselfish, his teamates just lacked the ability to close the game out with a costley foul on Josh Howard to let nash shoot 3 free throws and eventually cut the lead to 2 with just a little bit of time left in regulation. The Mavs missed a free throw and nash scored a game tieing 3 pointer to extend the game to overtime, if Dirks players had just done thier job, then this matter of the Suns winning wouldnt exist. Amare went 16-19 scoring 41 pts and bringing down 10 boards; in my opinion if anything that performance should be recognize. Im not saying that Nash didnt play a great game, im just saying its not that hard to rack up assists when you have a beast like Amare who goes 84% from the field and is considered by many the best finisher in the game today. Dirk has lead his team to more wins and have played in more games than Nash making him more productive to his team. Want a consistency stat? Dirk could be the only one beside Larry Bird to finish the regular season shooting over 50% from the field(currently is shooting 49%), shooting over 90% from the free throw line(currently is shooting 90% on the dot) and a 3 point % over 40%(currently shooting 41%). In the month March, Dirk is also averaging 22.0 pts 10.2 rebounds 5.2 assists per game. And dont forget the 25.1 pts, 9.5 rebounds, and 3.5 assists hes been averaging the whole year.


Some may argue that Nash is just more valuable to his team than Dirk is, so let me break this down for you. The mavs originally had 1 All-Star(Dirk) until Josh Howard filled in as an alternate, and the suns had a legit 2 All-Stars with Nash and Marion. But thats not it, Amare Stoudemire who should have made the all star game is now averaging 20.8 pts 9.8 rebounds and shooting a ridiculous 58.4% from the field in 60 games. Amare alone can arguably be the best on the suns, thats how good he is. The suns also have the soon-to-be 6th man of the year in Leandro Barbosa whos netting a little over 17 pts per game. The suns also have many role players such as Diaw and Raja. So that said, how can Nash seriously be the heart, soul, and the main reason the suns are having the great season their having? He cant. Dirk is just leading his team to a better record and a most likely home-court advantage throughout the playoffs with alot less talent around him than Nash possesses.


Nash is definatly a hall of famer with back to back MVPs that shouldnt be forgotten, Nash COULD pull ahead of Dirk this year for the MVP because of the amount of games left, so its possible. But according to the proof(stats), Dirk should most likely hold his ground in being #1 in the voting if the the MVP isnt fixed like David Stern rigging the NBA finals last year or if the fans of the NBA prove their not as dumb as I think they are like they proved it when the majority of voters didnt have Dirk on their ballot as a starter for the All-Star game, they would rather see a has-been like Tim Duncan start over a 7 foot jump shooter who distributes the ball and who has all the amazing stats i listed above, this year.

And now for my last argument. Some may say Dirk fails to hit the shot when it counts most, that is only true this past loss vs the suns when Dirk missed a few key shots. I already took this MVP race into deep detail, now i will look at the big picture. Dirk has led his team to more victories and less losses than Nash has led his team, Dirk got the job done as of this point to maintain a steady lead over the Suns for top spot in the Western Conferance. Steve Nash has not gotten the job done to lead his team in more wins and less losses like Dirk has with his. As of right now, Dirk Nowitzki IS the Most Valuable Player in the NBA. Not to mention Nash doesnt have to face division rivals like San Antonio and Houston like the mavs do, the Suns get to feed off of the L.A Fakers(losing streak of 7 at the moment), and the just plain awful Goldenstate, L.A clippers, and Sacremento. To have the record the mavs do considering the rockets and spurs are in thier division, it would only make sense to crown the mavs best player with the MVP as of today.

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different107 03-17-2007 08:58 PM

Re: Facts that say Dirk is MVP
 
Another MVP thread **sigh**

PhxFanAtBirth 03-17-2007 09:07 PM

Re: Facts that say Dirk is MVP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nowitness41991
I hear alot of misinformed Phoenix and even some Dallas fans going around various forums saying that wednesdays double O.T victory for Nash made him "clearly in front of Dirk for MVP". Well this is BS.
If you want to nickel and dime here, then Dirk comes out on top simply because he led his team to go 2-1 vs the suns this year. Dirk even dropped 35 and 7 in the first game, and in the second he dropped 27 with 10 rebound and 10-11 from the free throw line against the suns those first two suns defeat, OH BUT WAIT, according to fans and NBA.com, only this recent mavs loss to the suns plays a role in the MVP race, why not the first 2 matchups where Dirk leads his team to overcome the suns twice in a row??? Nope, you only hear about the ONE game Nash finally comes through against the Mavs(even though it was pretty lucky). Also with a not to shabby performance by Dirk in this loss for the 1st time this season this past wednesday against the suns, he posted 30 pts 16 rebounds and 6 assists. Dirk played efficient and unselfish, his teamates just lacked the ability to close the game out with a costley foul on Josh Howard to let nash shoot 3 free throws and eventually cut the lead to 2 with just a little bit of time left in regulation. The Mavs missed a free throw and nash scored a game tieing 3 pointer to extend the game to overtime, if Dirks players had just done thier job, then this matter of the Suns winning wouldnt exist. Amare went 16-19 scoring 41 pts and bringing down 10 boards; in my opinion if anything that performance should be recognize. Im not saying that Nash didnt play a great game, im just saying its not that hard to rack up assists when you have a beast like Amare who goes 84% from the field and is considered by many the best finisher in the game today. Dirk has lead his team to more wins and have played in more games than Nash making him more productive to his team. Want a consistency stat? Dirk could be the only one beside Larry Bird to finish the regular season shooting over 50% from the field(currently is shooting 49%), shooting over 90% from the free throw line(currently is shooting 90% on the dot) and a 3 point % over 40%(currently shooting 41%). In the month March, Dirk is also averaging 22.0 pts 10.2 rebounds 5.2 assists per game. And dont forget the 25.1 pts, 9.5 rebounds, and 3.5 assists hes been averaging the whole year.


Some may argue that Nash is just more valuable to his team than Dirk is, so let me break this down for you. The mavs originally had 1 All-Star(Dirk) until Josh Howard filled in as an alternate, and the suns had a legit 2 All-Stars with Nash and Marion. But thats not it, Amare Stoudemire who should have made the all star game is now averaging 20.8 pts 9.8 rebounds and shooting a ridiculous 58.4% from the field in 60 games. Amare alone can arguably be the best on the suns, thats how good he is. The suns also have the soon-to-be 6th man of the year in Leandro Barbosa whos netting a little over 17 pts per game. The suns also have many role players such as Diaw and Raja. So that said, how can Nash seriously be the heart, soul, and the main reason the suns are having the great season their having? He cant. Dirk is just leading his team to a better record and a most likely home-court advantage throughout the playoffs with alot less talent around him than Nash possesses.


Nash is definatly a hall of famer with back to back MVPs that shouldnt be forgotten, Nash COULD pull ahead of Dirk this year for the MVP because of the amount of games left, so its possible. But according to the proof(stats), Dirk should most likely hold his ground in being #1 in the voting if the the MVP isnt fixed like David Stern rigging the NBA finals last year or if the fans of the NBA prove their not as dumb as I think they are like they proved it when the majority of voters didnt have Dirk on their ballot as a starter for the All-Star game, they would rather see a has-been like Tim Duncan start over a 7 foot jump shooter who distributes the ball and who has all the amazing stats i listed above, this year.

And now for my last argument. Some may say Dirk fails to hit the shot when it counts most, that is only true this past loss vs the suns when Dirk missed a few key shots. I already took this MVP race into deep detail, now i will look at the big picture. Dirk has led his team to more victories and less losses than Nash has led his team, Dirk got the job done as of this point to maintain a steady lead over the Suns for top spot in the Western Conferance. Steve Nash has not gotten the job done to lead his team in more wins and less losses like Dirk has with his. As of right now, Dirk Nowitzki IS the Most Valuable Player in the NBA. Not to mention Nash doesnt have to face division rivals like San Antonio and Houston like the mavs do, the Suns get to feed off of the L.A Fakers(losing streak of 7 at the moment), and the just plain awful Goldenstate, L.A clippers, and Sacremento. To have the record the mavs do considering the rockets and spurs are in thier division, it would only make sense to crown the mavs best player with the MVP as of today.

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AHAHAH the last fans you want to talk about lucky to are phx fans, face it suns outlasted and outplayed you. how did marion get that critical offensive rebound and how did nash hit that three? because the mavericks fell apart thats something you deal with buddy, it happpens to every great franchise. Now as far as your mvp argument, nash outplayed dirk in dallas! he also came close to beating u in dallas if not for a lucky dirk jumper, fact is nash and dirk will be close in the race, i believe that with nashes performance in dallas to score ten points in the final minute hit the game tying shot come up with huge offensive plays in both overtimes pretty much solidifies his 3peat.

Nowitness41991 03-18-2007 12:25 AM

Re: Facts that say Dirk is MVP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PhxFanAtBirth
AHAHAH the last fans you want to talk about lucky to are phx fans, face it suns outlasted and outplayed you. how did marion get that critical offensive rebound and how did nash hit that three? because the mavericks fell apart thats something you deal with buddy, it happpens to every great franchise. Now as far as your mvp argument, nash outplayed dirk in dallas! he also came close to beating u in dallas if not for a lucky dirk jumper, fact is nash and dirk will be close in the race, i believe that with nashes performance in dallas to score ten points in the final minute hit the game tying shot come up with huge offensive plays in both overtimes pretty much solidifies his 3peat.



You get lucky when a 90% FT shooter misses, and you got lucky when josh howard fouled nash for 3 FT's.

Whoopyyyyy you won 1 game this year against the mavs and the fact it took you 2 OTs to do it. 2-1 in the season buddy. Hey where was nash against the NUGGETS? And did you see Dirk score 19 points in the 4th qtr to seal a victory vs the celtics? Now by your logic, Dirk is now the MVP because you like basing opinion on 1 game out of 82.

Face it, so far Dirk just has it. Dirk also played in 5 more games than Nash.

May I remind you of game 5 in last years WCF?

With a defense that gives up 70 pts to the DENVER NUGGETS in 1 half definatly has a chance in the playoffs...hahahaahhahahahahahaaa

Nowitness41991 03-18-2007 12:40 AM

Re: Facts that say Dirk is MVP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PhxFanAtBirth
AHAHAH the last fans you want to talk about lucky to are phx fans, face it suns outlasted and outplayed you. how did marion get that critical offensive rebound and how did nash hit that three? because the mavericks fell apart thats something you deal with buddy, it happpens to every great franchise. Now as far as your mvp argument, nash outplayed dirk in dallas! he also came close to beating u in dallas if not for a lucky dirk jumper, fact is nash and dirk will be close in the race, i believe that with nashes performance in dallas to score ten points in the final minute hit the game tying shot come up with huge offensive plays in both overtimes pretty much solidifies his 3peat.



The star player of a team who leads his team to the nba record of having the 3 winning streaks they had, deserves MVP. Look at the mavs record. Now look at the suns. I win.

The_Masterplan 03-18-2007 01:26 AM

Re: Facts that say Dirk is MVP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PhxFanAtBirth
AHAHAH the last fans you want to talk about lucky to are phx fans, face it suns outlasted and outplayed you. how did marion get that critical offensive rebound and how did nash hit that three? because the mavericks fell apart thats something you deal with buddy, it happpens to every great franchise. Now as far as your mvp argument, nash outplayed dirk in dallas! he also came close to beating u in dallas if not for a lucky dirk jumper, fact is nash and dirk will be close in the race, i believe that with nashes performance in dallas to score ten points in the final minute hit the game tying shot come up with huge offensive plays in both overtimes pretty much solidifies his 3peat.


how was that shot by Dirk lucky? Dirk makes those shots all the time.

PhxFanAtBirth 03-18-2007 06:29 PM

Re: Facts that say Dirk is MVP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nowitness41991
You get lucky when a 90% FT shooter misses, and you got lucky when josh howard fouled nash for 3 FT's.

Whoopyyyyy you won 1 game this year against the mavs and the fact it took you 2 OTs to do it. 2-1 in the season buddy. Hey where was nash against the NUGGETS? And did you see Dirk score 19 points in the 4th qtr to seal a victory vs the celtics? Now by your logic, Dirk is now the MVP because you like basing opinion on 1 game out of 82.

Face it, so far Dirk just has it. Dirk also played in 5 more games than Nash.

May I remind you of game 5 in last years WCF?

With a defense that gives up 70 pts to the DENVER NUGGETS in 1 half definatly has a chance in the playoffs...hahahaahhahahahahahaaa





Hahah i like this one, nash scored 10 points in the final 57 seconds of regulation time, had critical defensive stops in both overtimes and drew that foul on josh howard that was just smart playing.


Now as for playoffs all you mavs better hope you dont play nelly in the 1st round because youve proven to pretty much fold when you play them or maybe its the fact that nelly knows the mavs too well either way you wont be sweeping that series by any means.


Good Day.

Silent Mav 03-18-2007 07:03 PM

Re: Facts that say Dirk is MVP
 
Nellie has only coached them this year and it's two games. I would expect Avery to make adjustments and they'll be just fine. The no defense, run up and down the court game doesn't hold as much in the playoffs. As a Suns fan you should know that.

Good day to you.

Nowitness41991 03-19-2007 01:56 PM

Re: Facts that say Dirk is MVP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PhxFanAtBirth
Hahah i like this one, nash scored 10 points in the final 57 seconds of regulation time, had critical defensive stops in both overtimes and drew that foul on josh howard that was just smart playing.


Now as for playoffs all you mavs better hope you dont play nelly in the 1st round because youve proven to pretty much fold when you play them or maybe its the fact that nelly knows the mavs too well either way you wont be sweeping that series by any means.


Good Day.



AND STILL all you can do is comment on the 1 game it took you to beat the mavs in 2 overtimes. Sad. And amusing.

Dirk is the MVP buddy, just handle it like a man, and not like a nash.

Aidan 03-19-2007 06:04 PM

Re: Facts that say Dirk is MVP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nowitness41991
I But thats not it, Amare Stoudemire who should have made the all star game....


Um, last time I checked he did. Was a near MVP canditate too. And to suggest that Nash isnt the heart of the Suns is rather ridicolous. The Suns havent played well without Nash in the line up. I'm favouring Nowitski for MVP too man, but take it easy.

SUNS IN 07 03-19-2007 06:11 PM

Re: Facts that say Dirk is MVP
 
Mark Cuban is scared,because he let go of one of the most amazing players in NBA history.Dirk is good but he is NOT the MVP.If anything Jason Terry is the Mavs best player has he takes and makes there big shot's while Dirk folds.By the way Dirk is such a crybaby,in the 2ot game Amare abused him in the low post and he was pleading for an offensive foul.Steve Nash is not only the mvp but a better leader as well.I don't care what anyone says, the suns were the most amazing team in the 06 Playoffs.We were undersized and undermatched,and has the experts put us down left and right we still won because of great leadership.Dallas fans can gloat all they want but they beat a team that was missing there whole frontline, STAT,Kurt Thomas,Brian Grant all injured while Raja Bell goes down has well.Had Bell been playing phx would have beat Dallas and ran Miami out of the gym.Pat Riley even said they had no answer for the suns.If they give Dirk the MVP Dallas had better watch out, because Dirk knows better then anyone not to make the true MVP mad.STEVE NASH MV3 MV3 MV3 MV3!!!

Mavs4ever 03-19-2007 06:27 PM

Re: Facts that say Dirk is MVP
 
I would have choose Avery over Dirk and Nash for the MVP... :oldlol:

Nowitness41991 03-20-2007 09:53 PM

Re: Facts that say Dirk is MVP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SUNS IN 07
Mark Cuban is scared,because he let go of one of the most amazing players in NBA history.Dirk is good but he is NOT the MVP.If anything Jason Terry is the Mavs best player has he takes and makes there big shot's while Dirk folds.By the way Dirk is such a crybaby,in the 2ot game Amare abused him in the low post and he was pleading for an offensive foul.Steve Nash is not only the mvp but a better leader as well.I don't care what anyone says, the suns were the most amazing team in the 06 Playoffs.We were undersized and undermatched,and has the experts put us down left and right we still won because of great leadership.Dallas fans can gloat all they want but they beat a team that was missing there whole frontline, STAT,Kurt Thomas,Brian Grant all injured while Raja Bell goes down has well.Had Bell been playing phx would have beat Dallas and ran Miami out of the gym.Pat Riley even said they had no answer for the suns.If they give Dirk the MVP Dallas had better watch out, because Dirk knows better then anyone not to make the true MVP mad.STEVE NASH MV3 MV3 MV3 MV3!!!


See last years playoffs. Then tell me whos not clutch. Just a couple off the top of my head..game 7 vs spurs and game 5 vs the suns.

SUNS IN 07 03-20-2007 10:02 PM

Re: Facts that say Dirk is MVP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nowitness41991
See last years playoffs. Then tell me whos not clutch. Just a couple off the top of my head..game 7 vs spurs and game 5 vs the suns.


You beat half a team with no Amare BIG deal.And you were you clutch in FINALS ?D-WADE was!:oldlol:

Silent Mav 03-20-2007 10:39 PM

Re: Facts that say Dirk is MVP
 
And we have been to the finals. Has the 2 time MVP?


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