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AussieSteve 10-06-2017 07:32 AM

Greatest playoff performers
 
Here's a rank of the best playoff performers (since 1983-84), by percentage of playoff games above certain Game Score thresholds.

Percentage of playoff games with 30+ GmSc (min 50 playoff games)
1. Michael Jordan - 26.82
2. LeBron James - 17.05
3. Allen Iverson - 15.49
4. Charles Barkley - 15.45
5. Hakeem Olajuwon - 15.17
6. Larry Bird - 15.00*
7. Stephen Curry - 13.33
8. Shaquille O'Neal - 11.56
9. Kevin Durant - 11.32
10. Magic Johnson - 10.56*

Percentage of playoff games with 35+ GmSc (min 50 playoff games)
1. Michael Jordan - 12.29
2. Charles Barkley - 8.94
3. LeBron James - 7.83
4. Allen Iverson - 7.04
5. Hakeem Olajuwon - 6.21
6. Dirk Nowitzki - 4.83
7. Shaquille O'Neal - 3.70
8. Magic Johnson - 3.52*
9. Kevin Johnson - 2.86
10. Clyde Drexler - 2.76

Percentage of playoff games with 40+ GmSc (min 2 games)
1. Michael Jordan - 3.91
2. Allen Iverson - 2.82
3. Charles Barkley - 2.44
=4. Dirk Nowitzki - 2.07
=4. Hakeem Olajuwon - 2.07
6. Kevin Johnson - 1.90
7. Patrick Ewing - 1.44
8. Shaquille O'Neal - 1.39
9. LeBron James - 1.38
10. Kobe Bryant - 0.91

Percentage of playoff games with 45+ GmSc (min 2 games)
1. Charles Barkley - 2.44
2. Michael Jordan - 1.12

Percentage of playoff games with 50+ GmSc
1. Charles Barkley - 0.81

* from 84 onwards

Game score is designed to give a measure of a player's overall productivity in a game. The formula is...

GmSc = PTS + 0.4 * FG - 0.7 * FGA - 0.4*(FTA - FT) + 0.7 * ORB + 0.3 * DRB + STL + 0.7 * AST + 0.7 * BLK - 0.4 * PF - TOV

iamgine 10-06-2017 08:47 AM

Re: Greatest playoff performers
 
percentage of ALL playoff games isn't fair since there are people like Hakeem who played in the playoff until way past his prime while there are people like Jordan who retire just at the end of his prime.

It should be playoff games in their primes only.

Gileraracer 10-06-2017 12:17 PM

Re: Greatest playoff performers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iamgine
percentage of ALL playoff games isn't fair since there are people like Hakeem who played in the playoff until way past his prime while there are people like Jordan who retire just at the end of his prime.

It should be playoff games in their primes only.


Jordan retired just at the end of his prime? Both where 39 when they retired :confusedshrug:

Locked_Up_Tonight 10-06-2017 12:32 PM

Re: Greatest playoff performers
 
Gamescore is silly stat anyways. Dirk is on this list however:

GmSc = PTS + 0.4 * FG - 0.7 * FGA - 0.4*(FTA - FT) + 0.7 * ORB + 0.3 * DRB + STL + 0.7 * AST + 0.7 * BLK - 0.4 * PF - TOV

The stat makes offensive rebounding more important that defensive rebounding when in reality defensive rebounding is far more important. It values steals more than blocks. And I agree that a steal is the end of a possession while a block may not be... steals and blocks are subjective. One game it may be a block while another game it is a steal. (Think Karl Malone swipe in which is can be classified either way and is depending on city.) Then you have the argument of who gets the steal: guy who deflects it or the guy that catches it. That depends on city too.

Then it actually makes personal fouls mean something when generally speaking big guys are the ones who get called for more fouls and the number of fouls you have at the end of the game is meaningless unless you foul out of course.

The whole Gamescore is a joke.

SouBeachTalents 10-06-2017 12:39 PM

Re: Greatest playoff performers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Locked_Up_Tonight
Gamescore is silly stat anyways. Dirk is on this list however:

GmSc = PTS + 0.4 * FG - 0.7 * FGA - 0.4*(FTA - FT) + 0.7 * ORB + 0.3 * DRB + STL + 0.7 * AST + 0.7 * BLK - 0.4 * PF - TOV

The stat makes offensive rebounding more important that defensive rebounding when in reality defensive rebounding is far more important. It values steals more than blocks. And I agree that a steal is the end of a possession while a block may not be... steals and blocks are subjective. One game it may be a block while another game it is a steal. (Think Karl Malone swipe in which is can be classified either way and is depending on city.) Then you have the argument of who gets the steal: guy who deflects it or the guy that catches it. That depends on city too.

Then it actually makes personal fouls mean something when generally speaking big guys are the ones who get called for more fouls and the number of fouls you have at the end of the game is meaningless unless you foul out of course.

The whole Gamescore is a joke.

It doesn't even have LeBron's Game 6 in Boston ranked as one of the top 12 playoff performance of his career, when imo that's probably his best and undoubtedly top 3

Marchesk 10-06-2017 12:43 PM

Re: Greatest playoff performers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Locked_Up_Tonight
The stat makes offensive rebounding more important that defensive rebounding when in reality defensive rebounding is far more important.


Dennis Rodman and George Karl from the 96 finals disagree with you.

FatComputerNerd 10-06-2017 01:05 PM

Re: Greatest playoff performers
 
Playoff Rondo?

Zeppelin 10-06-2017 02:22 PM

Re: Greatest playoff performers
 
Defensive rebounding is more important to a team's success but nearly everyone can do it.

Providing offensive rebounds is the big added contribution to the team.

iamgine 10-06-2017 02:40 PM

Re: Greatest playoff performers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gileraracer
Jordan retired just at the end of his prime? Both where 39 when they retired :confusedshrug:

but he didn't make playoff in washington.

ImKobe 10-06-2017 06:24 PM

Re: Greatest playoff performers
 
It's not really objective considering some of these guys played in the Playoffs way past their primes or in their teens/rookie years while some mostly played a Playoff game in their prime, AI is a good example, from 99-03 is pretty much his entire Playoff resume, so he basically only was in the Playoffs when he was at his best.

Could also say the same thing about Jordan tbh, but then again he was still putting up amazing gamescores in his mid-30s.

AussieSteve 10-06-2017 06:24 PM

Re: Greatest playoff performers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Locked_Up_Tonight
Gamescore is silly stat anyways. Dirk is on this list however:

GmSc = PTS + 0.4 * FG - 0.7 * FGA - 0.4*(FTA - FT) + 0.7 * ORB + 0.3 * DRB + STL + 0.7 * AST + 0.7 * BLK - 0.4 * PF - TOV

The stat makes offensive rebounding more important that defensive rebounding when in reality defensive rebounding is far more important. It values steals more than blocks. And I agree that a steal is the end of a possession while a block may not be... steals and blocks are subjective. One game it may be a block while another game it is a steal. (Think Karl Malone swipe in which is can be classified either way and is depending on city.) Then you have the argument of who gets the steal: guy who deflects it or the guy that catches it. That depends on city too.

Then it actually makes personal fouls mean something when generally speaking big guys are the ones who get called for more fouls and the number of fouls you have at the end of the game is meaningless unless you foul out of course.

The whole Gamescore is a joke.


Defensive boards often just go to the defender in the right spot at the right time and are usually way easier to grab than offensive boards, which are almost always contested.

Also an offensive board usually means a high percentage shot from close range. While a defensive rebound means you have possession at the other end of the court.

Offensive boards are way more valuable.

aj1987 10-06-2017 06:29 PM

Re: Greatest playoff performers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieSteve
Defensive boards often just go to the defender in the right spot at the right time and are usually way easier to grab than offensive boards, which are almost always contested.

Also an offensive board usually means a high percentage shot from close range. While a defensive rebound means you have possession at the other end of the court.

Offensive boards are way more valuable.

What happens when a team doesn't secure a defensive rebound?


GmSc is a stupid stat, TBH. Barkley is not even close to being a top 10 all-time PO performer. Not even remotely close.

Nuff Said 10-06-2017 06:56 PM

Re: Greatest playoff performers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aj1987
What happens when a team doesn't secure a defensive rebound?


GmSc is a stupid stat, TBH. Barkley is not even close to being a top 10 all-time PO performer. Not even remotely close.

The same exact thing that happens if they donít secure the offensive.

tpols 10-06-2017 07:01 PM

Re: Greatest playoff performers
 
The game isn't just stats nerd....

AussieSteve 10-06-2017 07:39 PM

Re: Greatest playoff performers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aj1987
What happens when a team doesn't secure a defensive rebound?


GmSc is a stupid stat, TBH. Barkley is not even close to being a top 10 all-time PO performer. Not even remotely close.


If a defender doesn't get the rebound, there's a better than 50/50 chance someone else on his team did.

I don't get what is stupid about GmSc. Apart from the fact that Kobe doesn't do well by this measure. But then Kobe rates pretty low by most statistical measures.


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