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KingofKings718 07-09-2006 04:27 PM

Will Jermaine O'Neal be moved?
 
Yes, this topic is getting quite redundant, but it's somewhat imperative. I hope he does not get moved, because as well know, bigs in the NBA that are quality bigs are becoming rarer nowadays, and another Pacer meltdown in the playoffs along with injuries and bad luck is the reason why this notion of trading the franchise (JO7) has come up. Oh, and the fact that he's 28 and that monster deal he signed back in 2003, which has a ton of money left.

fatboy11 07-09-2006 04:35 PM

Not this year.

Chamberlain 07-09-2006 04:37 PM

I would'nt bet on it unless they got better in the deal, which is unlikely. I don't think his stock is very high.

TheReturnofCed 07-09-2006 04:42 PM

I'd like him to come to Boston, he'd be a better fit than Iverson.

Al Jefferson
Delonte West
Theo Ratliff
1st rounder 07

that should be enough.

Chamberlain 07-09-2006 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheReturnofCed
I'd like him to come to Boston, he'd be a better fit than Iverson.

Al Jefferson
Delonte West
Theo Ratliff
1st rounder 07

that should be enough.


Should be enough yeah. I like it for both team also.

HALLandOATES 07-09-2006 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chamberlain
Should be enough yeah. I like it for both team also.


star for scrubs and 1 decent guy and a pick:banghead:

TheReturnofCed 07-09-2006 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chamberlain
Should be enough yeah. I like it for both team also.


CT: Perkins/ Jones
PF: O'Neal/ / Gomes/ Scarabline
SF: Szczerbiak/ Green
SG: Pierce/ Allen
PG: Telfair/ Rondo

Should be good enough to strike fear into the opposition.

scipio 07-09-2006 05:14 PM

Quote:

Al Jefferson
Delonte West
Theo Ratliff
1st rounder 07



That should be enough? There is not a single above average starter in that deal.

Chamberlain 07-09-2006 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scipio
That should be enough? There is not a single above average starter in that deal.


Delonte and Ratliff are both above average. Jefferson has huge potential, next years draft class (if those we think will declare actually do) is stacked. O'Neal's stock is probably the lowest its been at any time he's been on the Pacers, they won't get much better than this if they want to trade him.

Attila 07-09-2006 06:08 PM

Al Jefferson
Delonte West
Theo Ratliff
Wally Szczerbiak
1st rounder 07

I think then Indiana would do it...

scipio 07-09-2006 06:18 PM

Quote:

Delonte and Ratliff are both above average. Jefferson has huge potential, next years draft class (if those we think will declare actually do) is stacked. O'Neal's stock is probably the lowest its been at any time he's been on the Pacers, they won't get much better than this if they want to trade him.

Delonte is not above average. He would be a decent back up pg/sg, but the Pacers just acquired such a player with more potential, Daniels. Ratliff was a good player 5 years ago. Now he's a marginal rotation player who could fall apart at any time. Jefferson has shown nothing so far, and he actually regressed last season. Who played ahead of him in Boston last season? The Pacers already have a young big man who scores well but can't stay on the floor.

In essence, the deal would give Indiana a bad contract and two young players who duplicate what the Pacers already have.

TMan 07-09-2006 06:24 PM

Can Chicago put on a package for Jermaine?

Chamberlain 07-09-2006 06:26 PM

I think that Delonte is a quality starter. Not an all-star by any stretch of the imagination but he knows how to run a team, plays good defense and can knock down jumpers. You may have a point with Ratliff, he is geting older, but when healthy he is still quite scary to run into in the paint. Jefferson regressed last year as he was nagged by constant injuries. Your right that he has yet to prove something, but he is only 20 or 21 years old. He needs to put together a healthy season before anyone can judge him.
The Pacers are pretty weak in the backcourt, as Jamaal Tinsley is inconsistant and often sees a lot of bench time, Anthony Johnson is getting older, and while he is consistant, he is less than spectacular. I'd rather Delonte over Johnson anyday.
As for the youg big guys go, teams can never get enough size, Bird would realize Jeffersons potential, give him a shot, and then he would move one of the young bigs as part of another deal.
I still don't think the trade will happen, this is just my analysis of it, and I also cannot think of a more suitable trade.

scipio 07-09-2006 06:33 PM

Quote:

I'd rather Delonte over Johnson anyday.


Did you not see AJ outplay Jason Kidd in the playoffs? All the things you describe West as doing are what Johnson does best. He's not a great pure point, but he can handle the ball, defend, run an offense to an extent, and hit jumpers.

The Pacers' backcourt does need a talent infusion, but I think Daniels is a big step in that direction. Of course, if we lost JO our frontcourt would definitely need some big time help.

The real problem with the proposed trade is that it doesn't go strongly enough in the rebuilding direction. If the Pacers ship JO, they'll basically concede that they are rebuilding. I would expect to get either good draft picks (the Celts' pick won't be great since a Pierce/JO team would be a contender, IMO) and cap relief, or a young player who has shown something and has potential. For instance, Charlie Villanueva was just traded. I think getting a guy like that would be a realistic goal.

LakerzFan4Life 07-09-2006 08:55 PM

yeah i hope he will be in a purple and gold jersey..


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