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Hmm maybe Butler is missing?
I feel like disagreeing with Melo's inclusion but I'm not sure why. Just feels like he's not that good.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14520322]I feel like disagreeing with Melo's inclusion but I'm not sure why. Just feels like he's not that good.[/QUOTE]
he's not
kobe should be 2nd team at the very least. he played from 2010 to 2016 and did this
2009-10 NBA Champion
2009-10 NBA Finals MVP
2009-10 All-Defensive (1st)
2009-10 All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 (27/5/5)
2010-11 All-Defensive (1st)
2010-11 All-NBA (1st)
2010-11 All Star MVP
2010-11 (25/5/5)
2011-12 All-Defensive (2nd)
2011-12 All-NBA (1st)
2011-12 (28/5/5)
2012 Olympic Gold Medal
2012-13 All-NBA (1st)
2012-13 (27/6/6)
2015-16 (60 point walk off)
and arguably the 2013 league mvp
[video=youtube_share;nvvVd74-OxY]https://youtu.be/nvvVd74-OxY[/video]
[video=youtube_share;VMGBZpGTGB0]https://youtu.be/VMGBZpGTGB0[/video]
It's actually not bad. Replace Blake with Giannis but the others I can deal with.
That graphic really puts into perspective how overrated most "stars" have been the last 10-20 years or so. Harden, Westbrook, Melo, Davis, Aldridge, Griffin? These are the creme de la creme of an entire decade?
Puke.
Thank God the MJ-inspired era of glamorizing iso-playground-ball is finally coming to a close, thanks to the influence of LeRightWay.
[QUOTE=HunterSThompson;14520330]kobe should be 2nd team at the very least. he played from 2010 to 2016 and did this
2009-10 NBA Champion
2009-10 NBA Finals MVP
2009-10 All-Defensive (1st)
2009-10 All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 (27/5/5)
2010-11 All-Defensive (1st)
2010-11 All-NBA (1st)
2010-11 All Star MVP
2010-11 (25/5/5)
2011-12 All-Defensive (2nd)
2011-12 All-NBA (1st)
2011-12 (28/5/5)
2012 Olympic Gold Medal
2012-13 All-NBA (1st)
2012-13 (27/6/6)
2015-16 (60 point walk off)
and arguably the 2013 league mvp
[video=youtube_share;nvvVd74-OxY]https://youtu.be/nvvVd74-OxY[/video]
[video=youtube_share;VMGBZpGTGB0]https://youtu.be/VMGBZpGTGB0[/video][/QUOTE]
He had 3 seasons out of 10 where he was in any way effective. He was a top 3-5 guy in the league for those 3. But it's not enough. 3rd team is pretty appropriate.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14520348]He had 3 seasons out of 10 where he was in any way effective. He was a top 3-5 guy in the league for those 3. But it's not enough. 3rd team is pretty appropriate.[/QUOTE]
4 years actually. and bill walton made the hall of fame off having that much with 1 title in 4 years with the blazers
are you saying you would rather have Carmelo or westbrick for 10 years than an elite Kobe for 4
shit I would argue what kobe accomplished should put him 1st team over harden
[QUOTE=HunterSThompson;14520350]4 years actually. and bill walton made the hall of fame off having that much with 1 title in 4 years with the blazers
are you saying you would rather have Carmelo or westbrick for 10 years than an elite Kobe for 4[/QUOTE]
Sorry, 4*
It's not about what I would rather have. Westbrook was a 9x all star, MVP, 2x first team, 5x second team. I mean for fvcks sake, after 2010 Kobe literally played in 22 playoff games.
Melo is a little bit closer but Kobe has no argument over Westbrook on the all decade team, even if in those couple years where he was effective he was better than Westbrook was.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14520351]Sorry, 4*
It's not about what I would rather have. Westbrook was a 9x all star, MVP, 2x first team, 5x second team. I mean for fvcks sake, after 2010 Kobe literally played in 22 playoff games.
Melo is a little bit closer but Kobe has no argument over Westbrook on the all decade team, even if in those couple years where he was effective he was better than Westbrook was.[/QUOTE]
obviously you've never seen Westbrook play. give me your PayPal email and il send you some money for league pass
It’s kinda like if Lebron gets hurt next year and never recovered. The 2020 ring and 3 more years of good numbers puts him over say…..Luka who should be a top player for all 10 years? Don’t know about that.
[QUOTE=HunterSThompson;14520350]4 years actually. and bill walton made the hall of fame off having that much with 1 title in 4 years with the blazers
are you saying you would rather have Carmelo or westbrick for 10 years than an elite Kobe for 4
shit I would argue what kobe accomplished should put him 1st team over harden[/QUOTE]
Walton's collegiate accomplishments is what helped him get in the HOF
[QUOTE=HunterSThompson;14520353]obviously you've never seen Westbrook play. give me your PayPal email and il send you some money for league pass[/QUOTE]
I used the exact same metrics you did.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14520322]I feel like disagreeing with Melo's inclusion but I'm not sure why. Just feels like he's not that good.[/QUOTE]
He's not that good, he's never been [I][B]that[/B][/I] good, and he's [B][U]not[/U][/B] an NBA level player right now. He hasn't been for a number of seasons.
But he is, as a matter of fact, one of the best individual scorers in NBA history. It's just that's his entire game is predicated on scoring. His defense has always been bad, now it's atrocious. His willingness or ability to get others involved in the game is in the toilet and it always has been. He has always been a black hole on offense. This goes beyond box scores and some people will never figure this out. It seeps into team dynamics in ways that we can't quantify.
Much in the same way that they will look at Bill Russell's scoring numbers and rank him lower than he otherwise should be because their brains are hard wired to prioritize individual scoring and ignore all of the shit that doesn't show up in the box score.
Carmelo used to be a fantastic individual basketball player. Unfortunately for him, NBA basketball is 5 on 5.