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Chuck Thou NBA 08-07-2007 02:42 PM

Can the Miami Heat still be top notch at this stage?
 

They haven't done any MAJOR changes to the team, they aren't getting any younger, and Shaq told the TNT crew that they aren't going to get used to seeing Shaq & the Heat on the " Gone Fishin' " part of the show. That was before Kevin Garnett & Ray Allen came to the Boston Celtics. If the Miami Heat slack off the whole season again and then wait till the playoffs to turn it up, can they advance? The thing about Shaq is he is a playoff guy now, he can't do too much in a season. Dywane Wade needs some help, who's there to help him? Will it be Kobe's best friend Smush Parker?

SsKSpurs21 08-07-2007 02:45 PM

Re: Can the Miami Heat still be top notch at this stage?
 
you also have to look at chicago and detroit who are younger and have more talent. the heat wont get it done with the pieces they currently have. wade and shaq obviously need some more help. payton and mourning are done, i think haslem is leaving or already left, and toine is thinking about going back to boston. without shaq they are back to rebuilding with just wade.

Chuck Thou NBA 08-07-2007 02:56 PM

Re: Can the Miami Heat still be top notch at this stage?
 
feel sorry for them. oh well.

insidehoops 08-07-2007 02:58 PM

Re: Can the Miami Heat still be top notch at this stage?
 
I can't think of a single reason why the Heat would do better next season than they did last. Everyone that matters just got older, and they haven't added any difference-makers.

DieHardBullsFan 08-07-2007 02:58 PM

Re: Can the Miami Heat still be top notch at this stage?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck Thou NBA

They haven't done any MAJOR changes to the team, they aren't getting any younger, and Shaq told the TNT crew that they aren't going to get used to seeing Shaq & the Heat on the " Gone Fishin' " part of the show. That was before Kevin Garnett & Ray Allen came to the Boston Celtics. If the Miami Heat slack off the whole season again and then wait till the playoffs to turn it up, can they advance? The thing about Shaq is he is a playoff guy now, he can't do too much in a season. Dywane Wade needs some help, who's there to help him? Will it be Kobe's best friend Smush Parker?



The only way the Heat will ever be top notch in the NBA is if they find the fountain of youth..

hawkfan 08-07-2007 03:10 PM

Re: Can the Miami Heat still be top notch at this stage?
 
What young players do they have?

Dorrell Wright? Who knows, if he can blossom, they will be in good shape.

If not they are going to suck.

They are real, real old. They need youth big time.

BFRESH44 08-07-2007 03:14 PM

Re: Can the Miami Heat still be top notch at this stage?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by insidehoops
I can't think of a single reason why the Heat would do better next season than they did last. Everyone that matters just got older, and they haven't added any difference-makers.


How about Wade and Shaq not missing 73 combined games next season?

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Originally Posted by SsKSpurs21
you also have to look at chicago and detroit who are younger and have more talent. the heat wont get it done with the pieces they currently have. wade and shaq obviously need some more help. payton and mourning are done, i think haslem is leaving or already left, and toine is thinking about going back to boston. without shaq they are back to rebuilding with just wade.


1. Udonis Haslem is under contract for 3 more years..

2. The Antoine Walker talk to Boston is a erroneous rumor and report by some uncredible source

3. Alonzo Mourning is done? I don't think so...Still the best backup center in the league. And in short spurts he can get it done.

4. Shaq is indeed always a question mark in regards to how many games he plays(or misses) and his health overall..The approach he takes to this season is remains to be seen. I've pretty confindent that we'll one more good year from a focused Shaq.

5. It appears as if Riles w/o getting the marquee player of his choice (Mo Williams) to help give the Heat the lift is now banking on improvment from within/internally with the expanded role of Dorell Wright
...And anyone who has followed the Heat knows his athletiscm sure as hell been a positive everytime he steps on to the court.


Miami was just in complete disarray last year in terms of injuries and distractions.. and despite that last year they still won 44 games and the Southeast division.

People saw the Bulls series and the sweep, and are now making the assumption that just every team in the East are capable are doing that to Miami, and that they're done...Not the case. Bulls just give the Heat ridiculous matchup problems...Even during the title run the Bulls gave Miami one hell of a fight(minus their veteran frontcourt of Ben Wallace and PJ Brown). With this past season you add on the fact that Miami had zero momentum going into the playoffs with trying incorporate Wade from his shoulder surgery and they you go...

It's going to be an interesting season...But do not write off the Miami Heat yet...

PK3434 08-07-2007 03:29 PM

Re: Can the Miami Heat still be top notch at this stage?
 
The Heat will probably battle for the 7th or 8th seed in the East...They really aren't a good team.

Shaq- Keeps getting older and slower...still a force.
Wade- Amazing, but they are screwed if he gets injured
Walker-fat
Williams-sucks
Parker-sucks
Wright- 1 year away from being a bust
Mourning- Good..if he plays
Haslem- Servicable

If Wade has injury problems, they might have trouble making the playoffs.

SsKSpurs21 08-07-2007 03:46 PM

Re: Can the Miami Heat still be top notch at this stage?
 
what was that talk about haslem going to memphis and other teams? maybe it was a trade then instead of FA like i thought.

dejordan 08-07-2007 04:07 PM

Re: Can the Miami Heat still be top notch at this stage?
 
that team is 100% contingent on the health of wade and shaq. nobody else needs to be that good when the two of them are playing at their best, but since neither can play 70+ games in a season, the team teeters towards irrelevance now. if they are healthy and in sync at playoff time, they could be dangerous, but if not they could be looking at another early fishin' lesson from kenny. i'm not really sure what they can do to improve. other than wade what do they have that any other team would really want except some expiring contracts?

ElPigto 08-07-2007 04:08 PM

Re: Can the Miami Heat still be top notch at this stage?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BFRESH44

Miami was just in complete disarray last year in terms of injuries and distractions.. and despite that last year they still won 44 games and the Southeast division.



Winning the Southeast division was pretty easy. The Wizards were their only real competition to win the division and Arenas had a season ending injury therefore paving the way for the Heat to win the division.

dawsey6 08-07-2007 04:15 PM

Re: Can the Miami Heat still be top notch at this stage?
 
I feel like this team needs to rebuild around Wade. They're key players are too old for the most part, and Shaq at this point would be better for bench spirts (as many fouls as he gets anyway) and overall mental encouragement and wisdom he gave to this team when he first got there. To me, Zo as more productive playing time during the course of a season. But that team is one season or one retirement away from one major reconstruction.

Xplicit 08-07-2007 05:11 PM

Re: Can the Miami Heat still be top notch at this stage?
 
Barring any major injuries to Shaq and Wade, the Heat should definitely be a top 3 team in the East next season. The KG to Boston trade shifts some power to the East, but let's be real here... making the playoffs will still be easy as hell in the East, and that's all a veteran team like Miami needs. Yeah the Heat got smoked by the Baby Bulls and their lack of speed/youth is evident... but with a healthy Wade, they can still beat any team in the East..

Mathius 08-07-2007 05:56 PM

Re: Can the Miami Heat still be top notch at this stage?
 
Seriously, the Heat are done. The only way they have a shot at dominating anything is if either White Chocolate or Antoine Walker return to their former all star glory and Shaq is 100% going into the playoffs, because he sure as hell can't get it done over an 82 game season anymore.

Mourning is a year older than Shaq.

And Heat fans have been talking about Dorrel Wright showing so much promise and being ready for a breakout season for 2 years now.

I'm still waiting.

Oh, and don't forget you lost Kopono. What about Posey? Isn't he gone too?

Lastly, lets not forget the questionable decision Wade made to come back last season instead of having surgery. Is the shoulder really 100%? Did he have off season surgery?

Mathius

Y2Gezee 08-07-2007 06:12 PM

Re: Can the Miami Heat still be top notch at this stage?
 
Their big concern is pretty much health. If both Shaq and Wade are healthy and not limping around out there, then they can win 55 games definately. Hopefully for them Williams stays healthy and Dorell improves, but Posey and Haslem are good consistent players. But they had no time to get any chemistry last year really. Shaq was out til the allstar break and Wade out soon after.

Shaq will still always draw double teams if not triples, Wade is a great explosive players, and they have some pretty good veteran guys again in Posey/JWill/Haslem. But as 2006 showed, in the postseason they can beat anyone when they are playing right. I don't think last year's exit had anything to do with Shaq breaking down as much as it did his teammates not making them pay after the were sending extra help on him in the 2nd halfs of games.


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