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L.Kizzle 08-19-2007 03:56 PM

Official #57 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
 
#56 - Robert Parish or “the Chief.” Big Robert played in the NBA for over 20 seasons. He played with the Warriors, Hornets and Bulls. Butt he will be mostly remembered as a member of the storied Boston Celtics. From 1980 to 1993 he played in helped lead the Celtics to 3 titles, 9 All-Star games, made 2 All-NBA teams and with one 2nd team.

| PPG 14.5 | RPG 9.1 | APG 1.4 | BPG 1.5 |
9 NBA All-Star Games
2 All-NBA Teams
NBA at 50
4 NBA Championship






ISH 100 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time
1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Oscar Robertson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Tim Duncan
11. Jerry West
12. Julius Erving
13. Moses Malone
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Bob Pettit
16. John Havlicek
17. Karl Malone
18. George Mikan
19. David Robinson
20. Isiah Thomas
21. Charles Barkley
22. John Stockton
23. Bob Cousy
24. Kobe Bryant
25. Rick Barry
26. Scottie Pippen
27. Clyde Drexler
28. Gary Payton
29. Willis Reed
30. Patrick Ewing
31. Allen Iverson
32. Walt Frazier
33. Elvin Hayes
34. George Gervin
35. Jason Kidd
36. Dave Cowens
37. Kevin Garnett
38. Bob McAdoo
39. Nate Thurmond
40. Wes Unseld
41. Kevin McHale
42. Dolph Schayes
43. Dominique Wilkins
44. Bill Walton
45. Sam Jones
46. Kevin Johnson
47. Dennis Rodman
48. Dirk Nowitzki
49. Steve Nash
50. Billy Cunningham
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51. Nate ‘Tiny’ Archibald
52. ‘Pistol’ Pete Maravich
53. Tracy McGrady
54. Hal Greer
55. Jerry Lucas
56. Robert Parish

Players to consider:
Paul Arizin
Adrian Dantley
Alex English
Artis Gilmore
Connie Hawkins
Bernard King
Reggie Miller
Sidney Moncrief
Earl Monroe
James Worthy


#56 Greatest Player Voting
Robert Parish = 4 votes
Earl Monroe = 3 votes
Reggie Miller = 3 votes
Bernard King = 2 votes
Adrian Dantley = 1 vote
Artis Gilmore = 1 vote
Alex English = 1 vote
James Worthy = 1 vote
Dave DeBusschere = 1 vote


Official #56 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH

Richie2k6 08-19-2007 03:59 PM

Re: Official #57 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
 
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My vote goes to Artis "A-Train" Gilmore.

Other than some random playing tape, looking at his statistics and accolades and a hell of a lot of research and reading, my knowledge of Gilmore is limited. But from what I've seen and heard, he is an all-time great, no doubt. He played in the ABA for his early career, then played in the NBA in '76. Putting up career averages of 22/17/3/3 in the ABA, 17/10/2/2 in the NBA and 18/12/2/2 combined, Gilmore was a dominant player in the 70's and early 80's. He was called The A-Train by fans and peers because he was one of the strongest players to ever play the game. He was well conditioned as well, playing in the NBA and ABA for 17 years. He once played 670 consecutive games. His statline of games played throughout his career:

84, 84, 84, 84, 84, 82, 82, 82, 48, 82, 82, 82, 64, 81, 71, 82, 71. He only had two seasons where he missed a significant amount of games.

Gilmore set the NCAA Divsion I record for most RPG averaged with 22.7 when he was in college, a record that still stands today. He was a shotblocker and excellent defender, averaging a career high 5.0 blocks per game in his rookie year in the ABA. He was a dominant force since day one. He's a 5x All-Defensive team member, and was top 10 in BPG and total blocks in every year of his career except his last three. Gilmore was a great leaper and athletic freak, quite frankly. He was a solid free throw shooter, too, for a big man, shooting 70% for a career average. Artis Gilmore is also top 25 all-time among points scored, top 10 all time in rebounds, blocked shots, games and minutes played. He also has the all-time highest career field-goal shooting percentage in both the NBA and the ABA. He's an 11x NBA All-Star, ABA MVP, ABA Rookie of the Year and ABA All-Star MVP, as well as an ABA Playoffs MVP. By the way, he was the league MVP and ROY in the same year, and he went 68-16 in his rookie year, 24 more than the previous year. He was an instant force in the NBA since day one. In his rookie year, he was 10th in PPG, 1st in RPG and 1st in FG%. His high FG%s always stood out, with him having the highest FG% of all-time with .599%. Gilmore even led the NBA in field goal percentage in 4 consecutive seasons, shooting a career best .670% one year.

Gilmore is a 5x All-NBA Team selection member, all in a row, all 1st Team. He won a ring in '75 with Kentucky in the NBA and captured the playoff MVP. During his ABA career, Gilmore established ABA records for career field goal percentage (0.557), career blocked shots (750), blocked shots in a season (287 in the 1973-74 season), and rebounds in a game (40), and is a member of the ABA All-Time team. He's second all-time in the NBA in total rebounds with 7169, and has been a top 10 RPG leader in the ABA and NBA combined for all the years of his career, except the last three. (Led the ABA in total rebounds for 5 straight seasons). He's been top 10 in the ABA and NBA in total points scored 7 times. Again, he's one of the most efficient players in NBA history. He has the highest FG% in NBA history and the highest FG% in ABA history. Gilmore led the NBA in true shooting percentage for 5 straight years, and has been top 5 in true shooting percentage for every single year of his career from start to end in the NBA and ABA. He's shot over 60% 5 times and he's been top 10 in PPG five times in his ABA and NBA career. In his ABA prime, he put up 18/18/3/3 in one year, and 23/16/2/3 the next year. His career high total points is 2003 and his career high total rebounds is 1491, set in his rookie year.

Even with all that, it's not like Gilmore was playing in an era where he was the only great player. There was Rick Barry, Billy Cunningham, Julius Erving, George Gervin, Connie Hawkins, Spencer Haywood, Dan Issel, Bobby Jones, Moses Malone, David Thompson, just to name a few. Then when he came to the NBA, he had to compete with the likes of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Elvin Hayes, Moses Malone, Michael Jordan, George Gervin, Julius Erving, Adrian Dantley, Wes Unseld, Tiny Archibald, John Lucas, World B. Free, Eddie Johnson, Michael Ray Richardson, Pete Maravich, Kevin McHale, Robert Parish and Bill Walton, just to name a few. The fact that he led/was near the top of the league in rebounds and field goal percentage in that era is amazing. If your'e going to penalize Gilmore for putting up great numbers in the ABA, you might as well penalize Barry, Erving, Malone, as well, because a part of what they did in their career happened in the ABA as well. Gilmore has proven he can do what he did in the ABA in the NBA. His points and rebounds weren't as high as they were in the ABA because of better competition, but he was still a force to be reckoned with, without a doubt.

Gilmore was a very talented player on the court as well, and could score in many ways in the post, whether it was a banker, a baby hook, a finger roll, an up and under, or a dunk, he was a proven scorer down in the post. He was a feared shot blocker, amazing rebounder, great low-post defender, was athletic, and had skill, not just raw power. He was the ultimate prototypcial center. He did everything he was supposed to throughout his career: score, rebound, block and be efficient, and he did them all very well. He teamed up with Dan Issel in the frontcourt to form a 1-2 punch combo, and they lead the Colonels to 2 ABA Finals, winning the championship once. Gilmore was picked first in the NBA dispersal draft, over the likes of Moses Malone, Maurice Lucas and other stars.

'Gilmore and the Bulls erupted in the second half of the season, however, winning 20 of their last 24 games and making the playoffs with a 44-38 record. In a late-season game against the Seattle SuperSonics, Gilmore registered 32 points, 17 rebounds, 5 assists and 4 blocks. In a game against the 76ers, he had 29 points and 23 rebounds, while holding Philadelphia's three centers to a combined 13 points and 13 rebounds.'

He was traded to the Spurs later to join George Gervin, and became an NBA All-Star one last time. Gilmore was known to be one of the best and toughest at guarding Kareem-Abdul Jabbar, a player with a reasonable argument for being the greatest of all-time. Artis Gilmore is only one of 24 players to score over 20,000 points in his professional career. Gilmore's career NBA statline and ABA/NBA accolades:

- 17.1 PPG, 15, 579 NBA points, 1,747 blocks, 470 steals, 2.0 APG, 1,777 assists, 10.1 RPG, 9,161 rebounds, .713 FT%, .599 FG%, 909 games played.
- 11x NBA All-Star, ABA MVP and ROY, ABA All-Star MVP, ABA Playoffs MVP, 5x All-ABA First Team, 6x All-ABA/NBA Defensive Team combined.
Once again.

D-Fence 08-19-2007 04:06 PM

Re: Official #57 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
 
I again vote for Dave DeBusschere.

Here's another example of how defense wins championships. The Knicks were 43-39 and lost in the 1st Round of the playoffs in 1968 before they traded for DeBusschere. After trading for him mid-season in 1969, they finished with a 54-28 record and made it to the Division Finals. They won the franchises' first championship the following season. DeBusschere was the third best player on 2 championship teams. He was more valuable to the Knicks than teammates Jerry Lucas, Earl Monroe and Bill Bradley.

DeBusschere was selected to the All-Defensive 1st Team for 6 consecutive seasons--the only 6 seasons of his career that the honor existed. He was a versitile, contain and shut-down defender who primarily defended forwards, but could also play guards--and even did a good job to contain Wilt Chamberlain when Reed was injured in the 1970 Finals!

Selenium 08-19-2007 04:07 PM

Re: Official #57 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
 
Earl Monroe.

haji_d_robertas 08-19-2007 06:14 PM

Re: Official #57 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
 
I'll go with Earl Monroe.

LBJ 4 MVP 08-19-2007 07:02 PM

Re: Official #57 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
 
Once Again, Earl Monroe.

Attila 08-19-2007 07:10 PM

Re: Official #57 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
 
Bernard King

basketballer4 08-19-2007 07:12 PM

Re: Official #57 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
 
Big Game James.

Richie2k6 08-19-2007 07:16 PM

Re: Official #57 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
 
.. Anybody going to give some reasons for Monroe? Not saying you shouldn't vote for him, it's just that these topics have been getting boring lately because hardly anyone is debating.

-primetime- 08-19-2007 07:28 PM

Re: Official #57 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
 
Joe Dumars

LBJ 4 MVP 08-19-2007 07:28 PM

Re: Official #57 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richie2k6
.. Anybody going to give some reasons for Monroe? Not saying you shouldn't vote for him, it's just that these topics have been getting boring lately because hardly anyone is debating.


Earl "Black Jesus" Monroe
4-time all star
Rookie of the year
Hall of Famer
41.5 points per game senior year of college
All-NBA first team (only once somehow)
One of the 50 greatest players in NBA History
NBA champ (1973)

Watching game tape, he is alot better than his stats show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAOHYRGb9Ec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMNAy...elated&search=

haji_d_robertas 08-19-2007 10:25 PM

Re: Official #57 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
 
One thing about Earl Monroe, he was called "Jesus" by people who saw him on the streetball court because he could work miracles. He wasn't called "Black Jesus" by anyone but whites.

LBJ 4 MVP 08-19-2007 10:31 PM

Re: Official #57 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by haji_d_robertas
One thing about Earl Monroe, he was called "Jesus" by people who saw him on the streetball court because he could work miracles. He wasn't called "Black Jesus" by anyone but whites.

Actually everyone called him black jesus, not only whites.

Jakez On Point11 08-19-2007 10:34 PM

Re: Official #57 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
 
Reggie Miller. MR CLUTCH

saKf 08-19-2007 11:37 PM

Re: Official #57 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
 
People are winning with four votes? There should be a 10-vote minimum.


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