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RapsFan 11-02-2007 10:45 AM

Keeper League question
 
I can only keep 4 guys and it's based on draft position.

Currently I have 5 guys who are no brainer keepers.

Amare 1st round
Josh Smith 2nd round
Dwill 3rd round
Al Jefferson 4th round
Durant 5th round

So I can't keep them all. Who do I keep and therefore the 5th one, I will try and trade them for a vetern stud that plays the same position. I am considering trying to get Nash for Dwill straight up (using the keeper aspect as added Dwill value). Nash was a 1st rounder, so I wouldn't keep him over Amare. Both Jefferson and Amare are C eligible.

I also have solid keepers in Tyson 6th rounder and RJ 9th rounder.

Thoughts/advice? Thanks!

LakersFO 11-02-2007 03:20 PM

Re: Keeper League question
 
I wouldn't keep Durant over Josh Smith, Amare, Deron, and Al Jeff. Your boys are all 1st and 2nd rounders in a redraft league.

Kevin Durant is a fine player for years to come. Probably a multi-cat player in the shape of...dare I say...Kobe and Rashard. Scoring beast while hitting all cats. Not Arenas(assist beast), Nash(assist Beast), Dirk(rebounds, and %'s), Marion(Mulit-cat specialist without being a primary offensive weapon), Garnett(Rebound, %'s, minus the threes), Lebron(actually closer than i thought)

You want to trade for Nash..Releasing/trading Nash down the road? Bad idea... Deron(younger, much younger) and Nash are 10+ assist men. Locking one category down all by themself. Not to mention their all-around fantasy prowess. Scorers like Durant can be found all over the place during the draft.

Other 10+ assist men:
Nash
Chris Paul
Deron William
Jason Kidd

Couple honorable mentions
Bdiddy
Tj ford

Tyson and RJ don't hold a light next to your other keepers. Keeping them to open up your draft round is another bad idea.

RapsFan 11-02-2007 05:23 PM

Re: Keeper League question
 
So you think that trying to deal Durant would be the best idea, with Amare, Jefferson, DWill and Smoove as my 4 keepers?

If I deal Durant, I want a vet I assume that I would have no intention of keeping. Any ideas? Ray Allen type guy maybe?

The reason I mentioned Tyson etc was because it's also about value in addition to pure talent. Buy you're saying Tyson as a 6th rounder isn't as valueable as Amare as a 1st or Jefferson as a 4th etc?

Thanks for the input.

LakersFO 11-02-2007 06:49 PM

Re: Keeper League question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RapsFan
So you think that trying to deal Durant would be the best idea, with Amare, Jefferson, DWill and Smoove as my 4 keepers?

If I deal Durant, I want a vet I assume that I would have no intention of keeping. Any ideas? Ray Allen type guy maybe?

The reason I mentioned Tyson etc was because it's also about value in addition to pure talent. Buy you're saying Tyson as a 6th rounder isn't as valueable as Amare as a 1st or Jefferson as a 4th etc?

Thanks for the input.


Your keepers are solid. Deron is the most untradable piece you have. Surprised?

Amare is a beast...im afraid of his knee holding up after the next 2-3 years.

Al Jeff is a beast as well, but doesn't bring enough blocks to the table.

Smoove with improved fg% and ft% would be AMAZING. Al Jeff and Amare make up for that beautifully.

My remark about finding scorers in the draft is a bit hasty. 30 point nights are going to be common place for durant. Maybe package Durant and 1 of your big 4...for an upgrade into the top 10. Now that is a better idea.

Tyson and RJeff have beatiful value and maybe you can add Tyson to the Durant package. With your Big 4 i almost dont care who else you have. Keeper wise.

Anytime...your welcome.

RapsFan 11-03-2007 12:01 PM

Re: Keeper League question
 
I might be able to get Paul Pierce and Mo Williams for my Durant and Jameer Nelson. Is this a good deal?

LakersFO 11-03-2007 02:01 PM

Re: Keeper League question
 
PP and Durant is a wash. But the Vet edges him in every category except maybe ft%.

MO is poor mans jkidd,chris paul, steve nash. Filling the stat sheet across the board with 3', points, 5+ass,5+rebs, and stls, Half the time he puts up klunkers like last night. Reducing you fg%.

Gaining PP doesn't improve you keepers and may be untradeable to owners later. For that top 10 upgrade down the line. Overall your team vastly improves with two mutlicat players.

RapsFan 11-03-2007 05:24 PM

Re: Keeper League question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LakersFO
PP and Durant is a wash. But the Vet edges him in every category except maybe ft%.

MO is poor mans jkidd,chris paul, steve nash. Filling the stat sheet across the board with 3', points, 5+ass,5+rebs, and stls, Half the time he puts up klunkers like last night. Reducing you fg%.

Gaining PP doesn't improve you keepers and may be untradeable to owners later. For that top 10 upgrade down the line. Overall your team vastly improves with two mutlicat players.


This is what I think as well. I still have Amare, Big Al, Smoove and DWill as keepers, and since I only have 4, I need to move one. This Pierce deal helps me win this season.

kumquat 11-03-2007 05:40 PM

Re: Keeper League question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RapsFan
I can only keep 4 guys and it's based on draft position.

Currently I have 5 guys who are no brainer keepers.

Amare 1st round
Josh Smith 2nd round
paul
Al Jefferson 4th round
Durant 5th round

So I can't keep them all. Who do I keep and therefore the 5th one, I will try and trade them for a vetern stud that plays the same position. I am considering trying to get Nash for Dwill straight up (using the keeper aspect as added Dwill value). Nash was a 1st rounder, so I wouldn't keep him over Amare. Both Jefferson and Amare are C eligible.

I also have solid keepers in Tyson 6th rounder and RJ 9th rounder.

Thoughts/advice? Thanks!


If you want to trade for 4 keepers only, try out

Durant+Al for Kobe
Deron+Tyson for Paul

Amare, Josh, Paul, Kobe

RapsFan 11-03-2007 06:26 PM

Re: Keeper League question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kumquat
If you want to trade for 4 keepers only, try out

Durant+Al for Kobe
Deron+Tyson for Paul

Amare, Josh, Paul, Kobe


So you think I should try and upgrade the keepers I have?

Obviously you wouldn't know this, but we can only keep 1 guy per round, and both Amare and Kobe were 1st rounder and SMoove and CP3 were 2nd rounders.

kumquat 11-03-2007 06:45 PM

Re: Keeper League question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RapsFan
So you think I should try and upgrade the keepers I have?

Obviously you wouldn't know this, but we can only keep 1 guy per round, and both Amare and Kobe were 1st rounder and SMoove and CP3 were 2nd rounders.


Ah ok gotcha. I'd go for kobe over amare and keep Al as your big man. I'd think about Amare+Durant for Kobe+filler.

RapsFan 11-03-2007 07:03 PM

Re: Keeper League question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kumquat
Ah ok gotcha. I'd go for kobe over amare and keep Al as your big man. I'd think about Amare+Durant for Kobe+filler.


Then my keepers would be Kobe, Big Al, Smoove and Dwill. Solid plan. Got most categories covered with those guys.

Is Kobe worth that much though? Durant + Amare? The filler I would think should be pretty darn good.

RapsFan 11-03-2007 07:57 PM

Re: Keeper League question
 
Was offered VC for Durant. Is that enough?

Also can be expanded to Amare/Durant for Dirk/VC. I would then drop Diaw for Haywood.

kumquat 11-03-2007 10:46 PM

Re: Keeper League question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RapsFan
Was offered VC for Durant. Is that enough?

Also can be expanded to Amare/Durant for Dirk/VC. I would then drop Diaw for Haywood.


Well like you said, there's 5 possible keepers, so you can afford to get rid 2 of those guys and get a better keeper back. You can afford to lose amare with Chandler+Al. I still say try and trade Amare+Durant for Kobe+someone else you like.

RapsFan 11-03-2007 10:54 PM

Re: Keeper League question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kumquat
Well like you said, there's 5 possible keepers, so you can afford to get rid 2 of those guys and get a better keeper back. You can afford to lose amare with Chandler+Al. I still say try and trade Amare+Durant for Kobe+someone else you like.


Again, info you wouldn't know, but the team with Kobe has NO blocks, and I would need to get some in return to make that deal work othrwise I might drop significantly in blks.

I won't keep Tyson. If I dealt Durant/Amare for a better keeper, I would keep Dwill, Smoove, Big AL and then the new stud (kobe etc).

RapsFan 11-03-2007 10:59 PM

Re: Keeper League question
 
Based on my team needs, I have proposed the following deals:

1) Durant/Amare for Yao/Pierce

2) Durant/Amare/Diaw for Duncan/Josh Howard/Granger

Thoughts? Yao would be my keeper if deal 1 went through. If the 2nd deal went down, upgrade overall talent to win this season, but Granger would be a sneaky keeper as he was taken in the 7th round.


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