The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley

[QUOTE=poido123]08-09.

You know what year I'm talking about based on Chris Paul being in the running.[/QUOTE]
How the hell is he gonna win MVP on a 49 win team?

LeBron - 28.4 PPG 7.6 RPG 7.2 APG 1.7 SPG 1.1 BPG on 59% TS (66 WINS) #2 in DPOY voting as well.
Paul - 22.8 PPG 5.5 RPG 11.8 APG 2.8 SPG 0.1 BPG on 60% TS (49 WINS)

[QUOTE= Pointguard]Rose had waaaaay more responsibilities, had waaaay less help, and veteran teams with three top players at three positions ALWAYs beat new young teams in a new system - that's the way the playoffs work. So the formation of a super team happened. What Wade did that year was not on the level of what Rose did.[/QUOTE]
Dude had the best defensive team in the NBA and a damn good coach in Thibs. Stop acting like Rose had no help. He had a 17/6/3 player in Deng, a 18/10/3/1 player in Boozer, 12/10/2/1/2 Noah (made the All-D team) etc.. The Heat team was pretty much garbage outside of the big 3. Rose was required to play on only side of the floor, because his team was able to cover his defensive inabilities. Wade was required to play on both sides of the floor. Again, Rose [I]might've[/I] deserved the MVP, but he wasn't a better player than Wade. Heck, swap Wade and Rose, the Bulls would've take the Heat to 7 games.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]No, accidents happen. Part of life. You only regret guys who don't try hard enough or don't want it bad enough.

Westbrook on the Bulls wouldn't have gotten them a ring either.[/QUOTE]
but at least he would have played in 2012 and 2013, and in all probability Chicago would have been in the ECF battling Miami in place of the Pacers.

[QUOTE=aj1987]How the hell is he gonna win MVP on a 49 win team?

LeBron - 28.4 PPG 7.6 RPG 7.2 APG 1.7 SPG 1.1 BPG on 59% TS (66 WINS) #2 in DPOY voting as well.
Paul - 22.8 PPG 5.5 RPG 11.8 APG 2.8 SPG 0.1 BPG on 60% TS (49 WINS)


Dude had the best defensive team in the NBA and a damn good coach in Thibs. Stop acting like Rose had no help. He had a 17/6/3 player in Deng, a 18/10/3/1 player in Boozer, 12/10/2/1/2 Noah (made the All-D team) etc.. The Heat team was pretty much garbage outside of the big 3. Rose was required to play on only side of the floor, because his team was able to cover his defensive inabilities. Wade was required to play on both sides of the floor. Again, Rose [I]might've[/I] deserved the MVP, but he wasn't a better player than Wade. Heck, swap Wade and Rose, the Bulls would've take the Heat to 7 games.[/QUOTE]


I may have a year mixed up, but I was saying that I thought Paul had a standout year for the Hornets and I thought he was the best player all year.

However, Lebron deserved the award, he also had a great statistical season and had a good team record.

The point i was making is, the best player in a year does not always get the award. System is flawed.

Aside from LeBron's years in Miami or now in Cleveland, Rose has been the superstar with the most stacked team.


Some people want to credit all of Chicago's success to Rose, but the fact remains that the Bulls win with or without Rose. Thibs + Noah = heart and soul of the team.

[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]If Beasley turns out to be merely another Lamar Odom then he's a bust...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiseryCityTexas]Lol he didn't even reach Lamar odom's level.:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Yeah.

Odom was a bit frustrating as he could have been a lot more, he was very talented IMO, but was still better than Beasley has ever proven to be.

And not by a little.

[QUOTE=Dresta]Your incessant overrating of Rose is why no-one likes the personality-less piece of glass.

:facepalm[/QUOTE]

why would you let some trolls on an online messageboard stop you enjoying one of the most exciting players of his generation?

you probably spend too much time on here, or take it too seriously if this is the case.

You can't argue like that, who knows how Beasley would have developed in a different environment. If Chicago drafted him maybe he would be a Top-5 player in the league now, who knows, the talent seemed to be there.

[QUOTE=poido123]I may have a year mixed up, but I was saying that I thought Paul had a standout year for the Hornets and I thought he was the best player all year.

However, Lebron deserved the award, he also had a great statistical season and had a good team record.

[B]The point i was making is, the best player in a year does not always get the award. System is flawed.[/B][/QUOTE]
Not really. Except for the Nash and AI MVP's, they've been pretty spot on in the past ~30 years. They usually give it to players on teams with 50+ wins.

A few think that he should've won it in '08. The Hornets won 56 and dude put up incredible numbers (21/12/4/3 on 58% TS).

[QUOTE=Dresta]Seriously Chicago fans trying to argue that Rose has ever (or will ever) been/be better than Wade in 2011. Your incessant overrating of Rose is why no-one likes the personality-less piece of glass.

:facepalm[/QUOTE]

Do you seriously believe wade was better than rose in 2011?

Facing single coverage everywhere he went with a teammate that clearly outplayed him through the first 82 games of the RS and first 3 rounds of the playoffs and STILL putting up worse stats w/much less clutch performances? Winning less games with Lebron and Bosh than Rose did with an injured trio of taj/noah/boozer?


Rose had to face wade/bosh/lebron all ganging up on him.. with keith bogans and deng as his wings.. two guys who can barely dribble against a good, let alone great defense.. With how wade played in that chicago series with piss poor numbers, if you were to switch spots with him and rose I wouldnt even want to know what the disparity would be. Wade on an island in 2011 facing double teams from lebron/bosh/rose might shoot sub 40TS( he already shot sub 50TS with all the pressure relieved and facing single coverage as bron and bosh had dominant series).

[QUOTE=noob cake]Rose has been the superstar with the most stacked team.
[/QUOTE]

If you TRULY believe this, you should stop watching basketball. The bulls have not had a true #2 talent since Scottie Pippen. Luol Deng was the third or 4th best player on a championship team and Noah lacks major offensive talent. The Bulls have had deep benches, but consistently have major holes in the starting lineup. They started Freaking Keith Bogans and Rip Hamilton when Rose was leading them to #1 seeds. Dunleavy is projected to be their starting SF this year. I can name 5-7 teams in the league that were a more stacked team than the Bulls of 2010-2014.

[QUOTE=aj1987]
Dude had the best defensive team in the NBA and a damn good coach in Thibs. Stop acting like Rose had no help. He had a 17/6/3 player in Deng, a 18/10/3/1 player in Boozer, 12/10/2/1/2 Noah (made the All-D team) etc. [/quote]
Deng was steady, and consistent through out the year. Rarely ever has a 30 point game. Didn't get more than 21 points in a game that series despite them throwing the kitchen sink at Rose. Boozer and Noah were both benched twice in fourth quarters in that series. Could you imagine Lebron and Bosh being benched in the fourth quarters??? Boozer did not know the offensive sets and often got in Rose's way. Noah was a 6/10 guy in that series. Noah just wasn't a good player and should have been benched. And this is what you are comparing to Lebron and Bosh to.
[quote]
. The Heat team was pretty much garbage outside of the big 3. Rose was required to play on only side of the floor, because his team was able to cover his defensive inabilities. Wade was required to play on both sides of the floor. Again, Rose [I]might've[/I] deserved the MVP, but he wasn't a better player than Wade. Heck, swap Wade and Rose, the Bulls would've take the Heat to 7 games.[/QUOTE]
:lol defensive inabilities? In case you didn't know Rose was the third best defender of the starters.

*The team had the best perimeter defense where there is less help than any place on the floor. The only penetrating point guards in the league were Parker and Paul. I don't recall Paul playing them that year and Rose routinely kills Parker anyway. So team defense had little to do with anything. Nice try though.

*Rose was put on Wade because he is the best one on one defender in the back court.

*Rose shut Wade down in two games in the fourth quarter in the ECF. In fact played Wade as good as I seen anybody play a healthy Wade in the playoffs.

*Wade doesn't control a game like Rose does. Teams didn't run on the Bulls.

*Wade on the Bulls instead of Rose? Wade wasn't successful that year when he was the second best player on his team, had the games best creator, had the games best finisher, the games best player, and a great front office.

*Wade had championship players and way more experienced veteran role players.

*Wade has never done anything in his career without a great offensive distraction on his team.

*Rose didn't have finishers, creators or steady good players in the playoffs outside of Deng. Much less a better player!

Rose did more for his team than Wade did. Wade had more help. You couldn't throw the kitchen sink at Wade and Wade didn't up his game when the better player on the team sat out. At least do that much.

[QUOTE=Dresta]Seriously Chicago fans trying to argue that Rose has ever (or will ever) been/be better than Wade in 2011. Your incessant overrating of Rose is why no-one likes the personality-less piece of glass.

:facepalm[/QUOTE]
Wow, that was really childish? You OK???

[QUOTE=tpols]Do you seriously believe wade was better than rose in 2011?[/quote]
Yes. He was. Don't kid yourself. Rose was on an incredible defensive team. The Bulls beat their opponents with their defense. As I said, swap Wade and Rose. The Bulls would take the Heat to 7 in the ECF. They probably would win more games in the RS as well.

Defense - Wade
Scoring - Wade

Wade literally does everything better than Rose.

26/6/5/2/1 on 58% in the RS vs 25/4/8/1/1 on 55% TS.
24/7/4/2/1 on 55% in the PO vs 27/4/8/1/1 on 50% TS.

[QUOTE=tpols]With how wade played in that chicago series with piss poor numbers, if you were to switch spots with him and rose I wouldnt even want to know what the disparity would be.[/quote]
Yeah, he played poorly against the Bulls, who were the best defensive team in the NBA. He did score 30/7/5/2/1 on 62% TS against the #2 defense in the ECSF.

[QUOTE=tpols]Wade on an island in 2011 facing double teams from lebron/bosh/rose might shoot sub 40TS( he already shot sub 50TS with all the pressure relieved and facing single coverage as bron and bosh had dominant series).[/QUOTE]
:facepalm

An 18/10 Boozer. :oldlol: Goes for 14/10 versus the heat. Shoots 49TS.

Meanwhile Chris Bosh goes for 23/8 on 68TS :eek: :eek:


A 12/10 Noah.. goes for 6/10 on 34TS. That is almost unbelievable.

Deng played alright.. he couldnt dribble at the end of games if his life depended on it, but he put up a somehwat respectable 17 on 53TS. Of course thats nothing compared to the help Wade got at SF.. 26/8/7 57TS from Lebron.

Help aint close. Stop it.


Wade wasnt even a first team all NBAer in 2011.. he didnt even finish top 5 in MVP voting. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Pointguard]Deng was steady, and consistent through out the year. Rarely ever has a 30 point game. Didn't get more than 21 points in a game that series despite them throwing the kitchen sink at Rose. Boozer and Noah were both benched twice in fourth quarters in that series. Could you imagine Lebron and Bosh being benched in the fourth quarters??? Boozer did not know the offensive sets and often got in Rose's way. Noah was a 6/10 guy in that series. Noah just wasn't a good player and should have been benched. And this is what you are comparing to Lebron and Bosh to.[/quote]
Are you trying to say that Rose carried that team? :facepalm

As I said, that team was DAMN good defensively and has two 15+ PPG scorers. Stop pretending like Wade wouldn't get the same/better results with that team.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]defensive inabilities? In case you didn't know Rose was the third best defender of the starters. [/quote]
I've seen a ton of Bulls games and Rose was never a good defender. He was average at best. Meanwhile, Wade was probably the 2nd best defender on the Heat.


[QUOTE=Pointguard]The team had the best perimeter defense where there is less help than any place on the floor. The only penetrating point guards in the league were Parker and Paul. I don't recall Paul playing them that year and Rose routinely kills Parker anyway. So team defense had little to do with anything. Nice try though.[/quote]
What? Wade can guard PG-SF. Is more versatile and a MUCH better defensive player than Rose EVER was or EVER will be.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]Rose shut Wade down in two games in the fourth quarter in the ECF. In fact played Wade as good as I seen anybody play a healthy Wade in the playoffs.[/quote]
Wade struggled the ENTIRE series. You think Rose can actually "shutdown" Wade? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Pointguard]*Wade doesn't control a game like Rose does. Teams didn't run on the Bulls. [/quote]
:oldlol:

Are you serious, dude?

[QUOTE=Pointguard]*Wade on the Bulls instead of Rose? Wade wasn't successful that year when he was the second best player on his team, had the games best creator, had the games best finisher, the games best player, and a great front office.[/quote]
What does that have to do with swapping Wade and Rose? Wade is a flat out better player than Rose ever Wade or ever will be.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]*Wade had championship players and way more experienced veteran role players.[/quote]
Doesn't change the [B]fact[/B] that the team outside the big 3 was GARBAGE.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]*Wade has never done anything in his career without a great offensive distraction on his team.[/quote]
13 PPG Shaq was a huge offensive distraction, right? Idiot. What has Rose accomplished? Other than the MVP (which should've rightfully gone to LeBron/Dwight/Dirk) he won? Shot 6% in the clutch in the ECF. Shot 49% TS in the entire playoffs. Give him a slightly worse team, and the Bulls would be back in the lottery.

BTW, put '11 Rose on the '09 and '10 Heat, they'd be lucky to win 20+ games. The mental midget would shit himself without the best defense in the league.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]Rose did more for his team than Wade did. Wade had more help. You couldn't throw the kitchen sink at Wade and Wade didn't up his game when the better player on the team sat out. At least do that much.[/QUOTE]
:wtf:

As I said, Wade is better than Rose at every aspect of basketball. Deal with it.

[QUOTE=tpols]An 18/10 Boozer. :oldlol: Goes for 14/10 versus the heat. Shoots 49TS.

Meanwhile Chris Bosh goes for 23/8 on 68TS :eek: :eek:


A 12/10 Noah.. goes for 6/10 on 34TS. That is almost unbelievable.

Deng played alright.. he couldnt dribble at the end of games if his life depended on it, but he put up a somehwat respectable 17 on 53TS. Of course thats nothing compared to the help Wade got at SF.. 26/8/7 57TS from Lebron.

Help aint close. Stop it.


Wade wasnt even a first team all NBAer in 2011.. he didnt even finish top 5 in MVP voting. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
You're the dumbass who said Westbrook is better than Wade.