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Old 05-29-2008, 04:48 AM   #3
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Default Re: My overrated and underrated players thread

Originally Posted by Blackeagle
first, the overrated players:
DeAndre Jordan. I know that he has a prototypical body for a C. He COULD be very good. But it won't happen any time soon. If you have the patience for him to develop, he may be worth taking. If you have kareem ready to work with him day in and day out, he could become a force in 2-3 years like Bynum. Most teams don't have the patience and don't have the proper coaching staff to make him a good pick.

JaVale McGee. Everything I said about Jordan applies to McGee. He may be a little more ready to play right now, but not by much. The same massive upside, but serious doubts on him reaching it, especially in a timely fashion.

Derrick Rose. This one will turn some heads, and I fully expect him to be a good player. But, he needs to work on his game. He may very well be the single most athletic person on the planet, and he has great intangibles. I expect him to improve and eventually become one of the best PGs in the league - but there's no way he wins rookie of the year, and for a guy who seems to be the consensus #1 pick, I think that qualifies him as overrated.

Russell Westbrook. This one is a big one for me. The other guys that I say are overrated could very well become very good players. Rose especially, may be one of the best PGs in the league in a few years. But Westbrook? He's not a point guard. He just isn't, so stop trying to say that he is. He's a short shooting guard with no jumpshot. He's very athletic and plays very good defense, and that counts for something, but he'll never be a particularly good player.

Now, the underrated players:
Shan Foster. 6'6" shooting guard with serious range, averaged over 20 ppg as his team's primary scoring option, with tremendous shooting percentages. SEC player of the year. Moves extremely well off the ball, and plays good defense. Why is he not a first rounder again? I've been pimping him since november, at which point he made a brief appearance in the late first round of a lot of mocks, but seems to be totally forgotten these days. His only down side is that he's a senior. I'm sorry, but I'll take what I consider to be a sure-fire quality player now over someone with more unfulfilled 'potential.'

Lester Hudson. Very talented scorer from everywhere on the floor. Athletic, plays decent defense. Is used to taking and making big shots. Plays well under pressure. Two things hold him back. First, his size... he's definitely a combo guard tweener. He needs to go to the right situation, and will probably always be a bench player, but could develop into a very good 6th man, but with the right coaching staff, maybe he develops his PG skills. Secondly, he played at a small program. I'd point you to two guys in recent years: Kevin Martin and Rodney Stuckey. Both guys played for small conference teams, but were tremendous scorers, both have excelled in the NBA. Expect Hudson to do the same if put into a good position.

Jason Thompson. Another guy who gets less respect than he deserves, simply because of his conference. He's athletic, has good size, rebounds well, blocks shots well. He's a jump shooting big, which a lot of people don't like. He's not going to be a guy who you throw the ball to in the low post, and let him draw a double.. and that ability to draw the double in the post is one of the things that makes bigs so valuable. So in that respect, I understand how some people rate him. In the right situation though (like my timberwolves), he would be perfect, because the wolves already have a serious low post scoring threat that Thompson could play off of. If your team is looking for that post scoring threat to draw the doubles, Thompson is not for you, but he could excel as a role player in the right situation, alongside another big with a strong post game.

Please feel free to debate or post your own. Don't just make lists, explain your picks.

Blackeagle, I think this was a well written post, and I'm sure you know you're basketball, so this isn't to say you're wrong and I'm right, I think it's just differing opinions. But I don't really agree with any of your choices, except Westbrook. Jordan is the best big man athlete in the draft and while he didn't contribute too much as a freshman in college, he is just about the only big man this year who has a chance to become a dominant NBA center. I hate to see too many players being drafted purely beased on potential, but in Jordan's case it's justified. And to be honest, comparing him to previous years' young center prospects, when was the last time we actually saw someone who's 19 years old and has a 7'0/260 athletic body doing even that much in college (Ok, I mean someone else than Oden)? He is really quick for his size, has natural aggressiveness, great hands (even though his skills aren't that developed), etc. If I was picking a center, I would consider taking him ahead of Brooke Lopez.

Hudson could be a steal, but small scoring point guards playing against weak opponents are always tricky. And Hudson is gonna be 24 this summer! Deciding if he's underrated or not depends on what mock draft you're looking at, but I think he's early second rounder in most mocks, and that's pretty much where should be.

I think Foster is a classic example of a good college scorer who won't have a chance in the next level. He isn't strong or quick and he doesn't have a good handle or court vision. I think he's nowhere near as versatile as NBA shooting guards have to be. He tries hard and was a good college defender, but he's not athletic enough to defend in the NBA. The one think he probably can do also in the NBA is shoot, but I don't think he has much of a chance to be more than a role player coming off the bench taking a few threes every now and then.

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