Originally Posted by GOBB
MVP takes into consideration the impact you had on your team when it comes to wins/losses. Offensive player of the year tends to just highlight the statistical season you had where wins/losses is irrelevant. Kinda like ROY in the NBA. ROY in the NBA is determined by production and not team success. Whereas thats reserved for MVP of the league. Which is why you'll rarely find MVP winners on losing teams if not teams a few games above .500.
Last year shuld further illustrate that when Manning won the MVP and Brees won OPOY. Its not uncommon to win both awards like Tom Brady...and again if you look at the numbers Tom Brady put up without taking into team success? you would say he had one of the best seasons ever for a QB no?
So there is the difference.
I guess I just never bought into the whole... "Guy A with great stats was hugely important whereas Guy B was not". What's to say that Peyton (last year) didn't have a better team around him than Brees? And that if you took Peyton off the team, they would win 3-5 games, whereas if Brees was gone, the Saints go 0-16? It's so subjective...
IMO, any QB that puts up the numbers either of those guys has/is putting up is ridiculously valuable. You can quote records all you want, but keep in mind it's a team game, and you're rewarding a player an individual award for his team's accomplishments.
KG on the TWolves was a perfect example... you really mean to tell me that Duncan meant more to his team than KG? Garnett led his team in ppg, rpg, apg, spg, bpg.... sounds like he was more valuable than Duncan. Did the great stats translate into as many wins? No, because the team around him was poor... but his value was up there with anyone's.
Edit -- To further enhance my argument, last season the Saints were a mediocre-to-good team, and Brees got consideration, but never really stood a chance of winning MVP. This year, when his playmakers are healthy, and his defense is stepping it up big time, the TEAM is having more success, and suddenly he's a contender for MVP, if not the favorite.
I would also like to cite Pau Gasol. Post-Shaq Kobe Bryant kept the Lakers relevant, but never a title contender, as the players around him just weren't that good. Suddenly he gets an All-Star, and Kobe is the MVP? I won't argue with Kobe getting MVP, even though I thought Wade deserved it most last year, but that's my argument in a nutshell. Team accomplishments are weighted too heavily when it comes to player awards (ALL player awards, except strictly defensive ones), without regard to the quality of the teammates.