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Old 11-25-2012, 01:59 PM   #50
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Default Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.

Originally Posted by Math2
It does have basis in fact. It's crazy to think that FORCING insurance companies to cover more people (more people that may or may not cost lots in medical insurance) doesn't bring up rates. No, I don't have facts to back that up, frankly because the future hasn't happened yet. I never said government spending had anything to do with Obamacare, however much you'd like me to have said that. I said that having the government pay for peoples insurance raises costs. It's the same idea as college costs. Why have they risen? Because of government interference.

Do people not pay insurance companies? Is that not even included in your figures? Gravy train my ass.

Your argument is basically that Obamacare isn't going to make it worse because they are getting rid of uninsured persons? Again, it's not going to help making companies cover more people, in effect costing them more, and then they pass the cost onto you. It's simple.

Please explain how college costs have risen because the government is paying a higher percentage of the costs, because that's the point you're attempting to make in your first paragraph.

People DO pay insurance companies. It's been included in the facts I presented from the start. What they clearly show is that, while the government and private insurers have seen their share of the costs increase dramatically in the last 50 years, the share that consumers pay has decreased by 50%, all while household income has risen by 150% (even nearly doubling when factoring in inflation). Reading; it's fundamental.

No, my argument is that in the long term, eliminating the drain that the uninsured place on all of us will offset the initial costs of implementing the program. And regulation of the marketplace, instead of the unchecked increases in pricing that insurance companies have been allowed to engage in for decades, will work together to keep prices from inflating at the "worst ever" levels that you continue to claim will occur without a single fact to back it up. Preventive care has been proven to reduce individual costs and the incidence of catastrophic care, which is a huge aspect of why health care costs have run amok.

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