Originally Posted by Jackass18
Your whole post was condescending. You came off like you think you're better than others who don't share your same viewpoint, and it reeked of ignorance. Being a judgmental prick towards people you don't know makes you come off as an alpha male fratbro caveman type. Some people come home from a stressful job and want to relax and watching TV can be relaxing to those people. Going to the gym could add more stress. Or maybe they're too busy. Maybe they find going to the gym too boring. Or maybe they have better things to do. Maybe they don't care to impress people by going to the gym. Etc...
Maybe you felt my post was condescending, but at least I actually addressed the topic and made points rather than result to petty insults without any clarification or presentation of your own argument to the subject.
As far as being a judgmental prick- that is ironic as Hell considering your one-liner to me in your first response. You don't know me or anything about me, yet you felt confident enough to respond in the manner that you did. That's as judgmental as it gets.
If you've got time for TV, you've got time for the gym. Being too busy is really not an acceptable excuse for most of the people I know. Most of the excuses are really just that- convenient reasons that people use to justify to themselves that what they're doing (or not doing) is ok.
The gym is only boring when you're doing something you don't want to be doing. You don't have to just lift weights, just run on the treadmill, just go swimming- there are a plethora of options out there that can help keep yourself in reasonable shape. It's not like I'm saying everybody has to be Lance Armstrong or LeBron James, lol.
And as far as impressing people? I think that's a terrible reason to go to the gym. You should go because you want to better yourself and be healthy. Once you start making improvements (whether it's lifting more weight, running faster on the treadmill, making better times on your laps, etc), it's rewarding and you really start to enjoy it (This has been my personal experience with people who start going to the gym and actually stick to it past the first week or two). But it takes willpower to fight through the soreness, pain, and getting accustomed to that lifestyle. That's why I say it is a sign of weakness, because a lot of people quit because it is too "hard."
And if you don't want to go to the gym, fine. You don't have to go to the gym to lose weight and lead a healthier lifestyle. Instead of buying a bunch of junkfood and other bad food, make healthier choices. Diet is the most important part in terms of losing weight. If you want to lose weight, you have to burn more than you consume- law of thermodynamics. As long as you follow that, you will lose weight.
As far as the gym adding more stress? How? Most of the people I know always talk about the gym being a stress reliever
. They get to go and get out their frustrations for the day- they get exhausted and sleep through the night. Whether it's lifting weights, doing work on the punching bag, running a few miles, or whatever else.
That is different than what you said in your other post. We all have weaknesses in our own ways, so I'd at least hope you're not looking down upon these people. It can be quite difficult to dramatically change your lifestyle. It may appear easy to you if you've been doing it for a long time, but for those that haven't it can be a daunting task. Some people love going to the gym, many people hate it.
As I said, there are a plethora of weaknesses out there. I'm sure I have plenty of signs that make people think I'm weak (it would be arrogant to think I don't). But I'll tell you what, everyday I am studying my ass off to get the best grades I can, I'm in the gym trying to get stronger, faster, etc, and I'm always trying to become a better person. If you don't learn something new or do something better everyday, then what are you doing? This thread was about fat people in particular- so that is what I am addressing. If you want to discuss any of the other weaknesses out there, I'm happy to discuss those as well.
It's not like I'm going around and turning my nose up at every fat person I see. I hold doors open for fat people just like I would a normal-sized person. I smile and give the courteous head nod to them like anybody else. I say please and thank you just like to anybody else. I don't treat them any differently.
And I completely agree that it isn't easy, but that's the point. If it's worth having, it probably isn't going to come easy. If you want to be a great athlete, engineer, doctor, lawyer, or anything else- you're going to have to work. And that takes willpower and determination. Just like changing yourself to become healthier and fit.
If you come off a certain way, then don't be surprised if someone calls you on it. What has been your experience? What has been so bad? Maybe you just completely lack tolerance.
My experience has been precisely what I described in my original post. A plethora of excuses because they are too lazy/weak willed. I don't know a single person who has been overweight and decided to make the change that wasn't happy about it.
I am extremely tolerant. Like I've said, I do not ridicule overweight people who I am around. I love bringing people to the gym and helping them find enjoyment in working out. It's not like I'm saying all of this and unwilling to help. One of my roommates just started going to the gym with me and my other roommate. We work around all of our schedules (I'm taking 18 hours and doing club volleyball this semester, one is taking 15, and the other just graduated grad school and works in a research lab. All of that doesn't include our hours of study time) in order to go to the gym. If we can work around 3 schedules that are as hectic and sporadic as that, then I can't imagine that the majority
of overweight people cannot find 30 minutes to one hour a few times a week (this doesn't make it so- just my experience). And after all of that, we still find time to watch an episode of something almost everyday (since you brought up wanting to watch TV). It's all about time management.
My point with that last paragraph is basically this- if you really want to do something, then you will find time to do it. You just have to be smart and take a practical approach to it. Say you're working, you have kids, a wife, etc. Ok, maybe you can only go a couple of times a week- but does that mean you can't make healthier food choices? Make it a family affair and you guys can all do something active together.
Working out and being healthy makes tying your shoes easier? You act like those routine things are all that difficult. None of that is a problem until you start hitting the dangerous amounts of overweight.
They aren't that difficult, but they become more and more difficult the more unhealthy you are. Being healthy and working out makes them easier
is what I said- not that they are extremely demanding tasks.
I'm not sure what you're saying by dangerous amount of weight? We are taking about fat
people, not somebody who has 20 lbs to shed.