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Old 12-06-2013, 03:01 PM   #10
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Default Re: "We will not be caught in no mans land" - Masai Ujiri

Originally Posted by kmart
Name a superstar that has gone to a market like Toronto for unrestricted free agency. There are none. While Toronto isn't a small market city, a lot of NBA players probably consider it to be one. It's not that Toronto is a terrible place to live, it's that you're not going to build a contender with a lot of NBA players not wanting to play in Canada. If they do manage to sign one by all means they should, it is just unlikely that they will ever get one.

It doesn't matter if ownership is committed. In a star driven league if none of the stars are willing to come via FA, you aren't going to be successful.

In today's age drafted players are obligated to play for their teams for much longer than back in the day, so whatever T-Mac pulled off isn't happening anymore.

VC was just an a**hole who wanted out, drove his value to the bottom and left Toronto with nothing.

Flip flops do happen, but hardly at the top of the draft. We haven't drafted top 4 since Bargs and Val has been the only top 5 pick since. Thats a lot of 8-13 overall pick. There just isn't enough talent at 8-13 seeds.

That's just ignorance on the players part. I guarantee if we free up cap space, we could lure a top player in the league. The only reason we haven't got a superstar from free agency is because we haven't had the advantage to do so or even attempted anywhere close to it.

Kevin Durant's contract is up 15-16. He's had talks about playing for Toronto like Wiggins has. Rudy Gay's contract is done the year before that. Why not pitch to get Durant and build around him through trades ?

You're right that our seeding in the draft doesn't help, but look at who the Raptors have missed since 1999:

99 12th pick - Aleksandar Radojević over Corey Maggette (13th pick)

01 19th pick - Michael Bradley over Zach Randolph (21st pick), Gerald Wallace (25th pick), Samuel Dalembert (26th pick), Tony Parker (28th pick). Lot of misses here.

04 8th pick - Rafael Ara˙jo over... you know the story.

05 7th pick - Charlie Villanueva over Andrew Bynum (10th pick)

05 15 pick - Joey Graham over Danny Granger (16 pick)

08 17 pick - Roy Hibbert gets traded for Jermaine O'Neal. A rare good pick the Raptors make and he gets shipped off. The Raptors center problems could have been solved twice by now.

10 13th pick - Ed Davis over Larry Sanders (15th pick), Eric Bledsoe (18th pick)

12 8th pick - Terrence Ross over Andre Drummond (9th pick).

Just looking over all of that, we could have 4 legit centers as good or better than Val currently is. So even though we get an 8-13 position, the Raptors haven't drafted smart. Infact, they took the wrong guy on several times a pick early. Even the Chris Bosh pick in hindsight was the wrong pick. What if the Raptors pick Wade and the big 3 ends up forming in Toronto ?

I think a culture change happens when you finally bring that huge superstar to the city. It happened to Miami when they traded for Shaq in 2004. Should they get a more established star right now ? Sure, I think Val and/or DeMar are on that path, if they continue to show strides in their play.
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