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    Default Re: Hakeem Olajuwon is beginning to become quite overrated here.

    Quote Originally Posted by lakers_forever
    Wilt>Kareem>Russell>Shaq>Olajuwon
    Man Russell is overrated. He was an average offensive player. His best scoring season adjusts to less than 14 ppg with 40 mpg in the current NBA. Do Ben Wallace and Dikembe Mutombo get credit for dominating the defensive end?

    There's no way Russell was better than Shaq or Olajuwon. And there's no way Wilt ranks above Kareem either.

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    Default Re: Hakeem Olajuwon is beginning to become quite overrated here.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaqAttack3234
    Man Russell is overrated. He was an average offensive player. His best scoring season adjusts to less than 14 ppg with 40 mpg in the current NBA. Do Ben Wallace and Dikembe Mutombo get credit for dominating the defensive end?

    There's no way Russell was better than Shaq or Olajuwon. And there's no way Wilt ranks above Kareem either.
    This arguement has the same sh!t every time.

    11 rings, then some ******* says "LOL WELL HORRY>MJ THEN LOL", then they argue with 10 pages of useless garbage, doing nothing but upping post count and rep.

    Its the insidehoops rat race of misery.

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    Default Re: Hakeem Olajuwon is beginning to become quite overrated here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maniak
    This arguement has the same sh!t every time.

    11 rings, then some ******* says "LOL WELL HORRY>MJ THEN LOL", then they argue with 10 pages of useless garbage, doing nothing but upping post count and rep.

    Its the insidehoops rat race of misery.
    Who the f*ck cares about 11 rings? Russell played on a STACKED team often with 3 or 4 hall of famers in their prime at the same time in a league with 1/4 the teams that are in the league today. He was great at one end and he was average at another end. That doesn't put him ahead of Shaq or Hakeem.

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    Default Re: Hakeem Olajuwon is beginning to become quite overrated here.

    towards this thread...It really needed to be made. Some of the bs being said need to be checked. Even heard people saying he had an arguement for GOAT center...

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    Default Re: Hakeem Olajuwon is beginning to become quite overrated here.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaqAttack3234
    Man Russell is overrated. He was an average offensive player. His best scoring season adjusts to less than 14 ppg with 40 mpg in the current NBA. Do Ben Wallace and Dikembe Mutombo get credit for dominating the defensive end?
    He is not overrated. He was the leader of a team who won 11 titles. After he retired, his team missed the playoffs. He led a inferior team to beat a Laker team with Baylor, West and Wilt in 1969.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaqAttack3234
    He was an average offensive player
    Maybe, but his team did not need offense. He did what was needed to win titles. Leadership and defense. He was arguably the best defender ever and second best rebounder ever. He was miles ahead of Ben Wallace or Mutombo.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaqAttack3234
    Do Ben Wallace and Dikembe Mutombo get credit for dominating the defensive end?
    No. I guess it's maybe their were not the defensive anchor of a 11 time winning team.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaqAttack3234
    And there's no way Wilt ranks above Kareem either.
    It's a toss up between them. Two monsters. When you say there's no way one is ahead of the other, you lost credibility.

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    Default Re: Hakeem Olajuwon is beginning to become quite overrated here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manute for Ever!
    I have seen some pretty ridiculous comments about the legacy of Hakeem on ISH lately, especially the GOAT centre thread. Does anyone else think he is rapidly becoming overrated on ISH?
    Absolutely yes

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    Default Re: Hakeem Olajuwon is beginning to become quite overrated here.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaqAttack3234
    Who the f*ck cares about 11 rings? Russell played on a STACKED team often with 3 or 4 hall of famers in their prime at the same time in a league with 1/4 the teams that are in the league today. He was great at one end and he was average at another end. That doesn't put him ahead of Shaq or Hakeem.
    We know.

    You say this every thread you go into. STFU.

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    Default Re: Hakeem Olajuwon is beginning to become quite overrated here.

    Quote Originally Posted by lakers_forever
    He is not overrated. He was the leader of a team who won 11 titles. After he retired, his team missed the playoffs. He led a inferior team to beat a Laker team with Baylor, West and Wilt in 1969.
    Sam Jones, another key member of 10 of those 11 championship teams also retired in 1969. That obviously had something to do with the dropoff.


    Maybe, but his team did not need offense. He did what was needed to win titles. Leadership and defense. He was arguably the best defender ever and second best rebounder ever. He was miles ahead of Ben Wallace or Mutombo.
    Yes, he was arguably the best defender ever, but so is Hakeem Olajuwon and he's miles ahead of Russell offensively. The team didn't need offense because they were loaded with talent.

    No. I guess it's maybe their were not the defensive anchor of a 11 time winning team.
    Neither had the luxuary of playing with 3 or 4 all-star level players at a time in a league with 1/4 the amount of teams. Wallace did anchor a Pistons team that won 5 straight seasons, made 4 straight ECF, won a championship, were one game away from repeating as champions and a team that won 64 games one year. After that he even led a young Bulls team to nearly 50 wins and the 2nd round. In that time he won 4 defensive player of the year awards and became one of only 5 players to lead the league in blocks and rebounds in the same season.

    Obviously Russell is miles ahead of Wallace, but if dominating defensively was as important as some make it out to be then Wallace wouldn't be a borderline hall of famer at best. The fact is that players like that need a lot of good offensive players around them. Players like Hakeem however don't, they can carry a team. Russell couldn't do that.

    It's a toss up between them. Two monsters. When you say there's no way one is ahead of the other, you lost credibility.
    No, Kareem is defintley the best center ever. 6 championships, superior longevity to anyone, comparable prime, much less selfish than Wilt or Shaq, you name it and Kareem has the advantage. Kareem is the only player with type of good case for being better than Jordan all time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maniak
    We know.

    You say this every thread you go into. STFU.
    And nobody comes up with a good argument against.

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    Default Re: Hakeem Olajuwon is beginning to become quite overrated here.

    i hate the arguement about bill russell not being able to score in college he averaged 20/20 and more. he's like dennis rodman, averaged 26 points in college, they both could score but they both did what they needed for their team.

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    Default Re: Hakeem Olajuwon is beginning to become quite overrated here.

    Russell could not score at an all-star level. 20/20 with the pace of his college days is a lot different than 20/20 now.

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    Default Re: Hakeem Olajuwon is beginning to become quite overrated here.

    And nobody comes up with a good argument against.


    You are so agenda driven, its just sick.

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    Default Re: Hakeem Olajuwon is beginning to become quite overrated here.

    Overall:

    Kareem --> Wilt --> Russell --> Shaq --> Olajuwon (Depending on my bball mood I interchange Kareem and Wilt hehe)

    Overall IMO = playing ability, career achievements, legacy, innovation and impact on the game. For me that last part has always propelled Russell above Hakeem and Shaq, Russell basically caused a paradigm shift in the game of basketball.

    Peak playing ability:

    Wilt --> Kareem --> Shaq --> Olajuwon --> Russell(?)

    Quote Originally Posted by lakers_forever
    No. I guess it's maybe their were not the defensive anchor of a 11 time winning team.
    Okay, but Ben Wallace was the defensive anchor of a 1-time winning team, which is 1 more championship than a lot of HOFers/future HOFers and an amazing accomplishment in itself. So why wouldn't he get the same recognition?

    ShaqAttack makes a lotta good points, which is why I don't even know if Russell is top 5 in peak ability because of his sore lack of offensive game...

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    Default Re: Hakeem Olajuwon is beginning to become quite overrated here.

    Quote Originally Posted by SAKOTXA
    No. He is the most talented big men of all time. And Is top 3 center of all time IMO
    And how much of his career did you see?

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    Default Re: Hakeem Olajuwon is beginning to become quite overrated here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maniak


    You are so agenda driven, its just sick.
    Nope, I have no agenda at all. You're just a f*cking retard. I question why people rank Russell so high because no other defensive specialist is ranked that high and nobody gives me a good answer. People only rank Russell that high because they think they're supposed to. The 11 championships excuse is bullsh*t because why aren't Sam Jones, John Havlicek, Bob Cousy, Tom Heinsohn ect. ranked higher? I'm sorry I'm not stupid enough to just rank someone highly because I'm supposed. I'll give Russell a ranking in the lower part of the top 10 players of all time, but any higher is absurd when you think about it.

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    Default Re: Hakeem Olajuwon is beginning to become quite overrated here.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaqAttack3234
    You're just a f*cking retard. .
    I concur with this powerful statement, but I disagree with your Russell being overrated statement, but I don't feel like arguing for Russell at the moment.

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