So Kobe doesn't take charges? and MJ and Magic never did either?

[iamgine]

Oh wait, here's the number from 2010-2011 season. Apparently Kobe drew 13 charges.

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[Myth]

. I've seen Michael not take one ... charge and he's healthy his whole career, and the same thing with Magic," Bryant said.

What if this strategy backfires and by Kobe following Michael and Magic, he ends up running a shitty franchise while dealing with HIV.

[iamgine]

What if this strategy backfires and by Kobe following Michael and Magic, he ends up running a shitty franchise while dealing with HIV.

Or simultaneously become GOAT PG and SG

[TheBigVeto]

MJ, Magic and Kobe are all ******* then. Pippen and Bird have balls.

[AngelEyes]

MJ, Magic and Kobe are all ******* then. Pippen and Bird have balls.

That's a rather simplistic and misguided point of view. Taking charges is not necessarily the right play, in fact it can easily be viewed as a risky play. Instead of trying to take a charge and perhaps letting the defender go by you when the official doesn't call a foul, you can stay with your man and contest the shot. Bill Walton, for one, was never enamored with taking charges, he especially disliked big men taking charges when they should be playing defense and challenging shots. Taking charges is hit and miss, people need to understand this.

[The Macho Man]

From the same article

"There's a difference [between taking a charge and flopping]. We all know what flopping is when we see it," Bryant said. "The stuff that you see is where guys aren't really getting hit at all and are just flailing around like a fish out of water. That's kind of like, where are your balls at?"

Shots fired Clippers

[White Mamba]

magic and mj said it be4, kobe learned from them.

[Godzuki]

That's a rather simplistic and misguided point of view. Taking charges is not necessarily the right play, in fact it can easily be viewed as a risky play. Instead of trying to take a charge and perhaps letting the defender go by you when the official doesn't call a foul, you can stay with your man and contest the shot. Bill Walton, for one, was never enamored with taking charges, he especially disliked big men taking charges when they should be playing defense and challenging shots. Taking charges is hit and miss, people need to understand this.

thing is tho it deters guards from penetrating especially if they get anywhere close to foul trouble. Mike Brown's quote in the article went unnoticed but he did say he puts taking charges over blocking shots in importance. It gives you the ball but more importantly gives the guard a foul, and makes him second guess driving, at the very least worry about any defensive fixtures in the lane a lot more. charge calls can be huge in clutch moments but i guess in a lot of other moments its just another play in a game.

[Godzuki]

Oh wait, here's the number from 2010-2011 season. Apparently Kobe drew 13 charges.

Player’s Name Charges drawn
Grant Hill 65
Jose Barea 58
Derek Fisher 54
Glen Davis 54
Nick Collison 51
Devin Harris 49
Manu Ginobili 48
Ersan Ilyasova 47
Blake Griffin 46
Gerald Wallace 42
Wesley Matthews 42
Corey Brewer 40
Monta Ellis 40
Danilo Gallinari 39
DeMarcus Cousins 39
Beno Udrih 38
Chris Paul 38
Jon Brockman 38
James Jones 37
Josh Smith 36
Anthony Tolliver 36
Raja Bell 36
Marc Gasol 35
Nicolas Batum 34
Kyle Lowry 33
Luis Scola 33
Mike Conley 33
Mike Bibby 32
Deron Williams 30
Kris Humphries 30
Kurt Thomas 30
Marcin Gortat 30
Andre Miller 29
Andrew Bogut 29
Chuck Hayes 28
Kevin Love 27
Thaddeus Young 27
JaVale McGee 26
Stephen Curry 26
George Hill 25
Gerald Henderson 24
James Posey 24
Jeff Foster 24
Keyon Dooling 24
Kirk Hinrich 24
Rudy Fernandez 24
Jarrett Jack 23
Jason Collins 23
Ben Wallace 22
Quentin Richardson 22
Steve Nash 22
Luol Deng 21
Andrea Bargnani 21
Darrell Arthur 21
Hakim Warrick 21
J.J. Redick 21
Kwame Brown 21
Raymond Felton 21
Ryan Hollins 21
Samardo Samuels 21
Shane Battier 21
Anthony Parker 20
Corey Maggette 20
Mike Dunleavy 20
Nick Young 20
Ronnie Price 20
Tyler Hansbrough 20
Al Jefferson 19
Brian Cardinal 19
Drew Gooden 19
John Wall 19
Kevin Martin 19
Mario Chalmers 19
Ryan Anderson 19
Tiago Splitter 19
Vince Carter 19
Nene Hilario 18
Anderson Varejao 18
Channing Frye 18
Jameer Nelson 18
Jodie Meeks 18
Jordan Farmar 18
Patrick Mills 18
Rajon Rondo 18
Toney Douglas 18
J.R. Smith 17
Tyson Chandler 17
Derrick Rose 17
Emeka Okafor 17
Gary Neal 17
Lamar Odom 17
Marreese Speights 17
Omer Asik 17
Paul Millsap 17
Sam Young 17
Aaron Brooks 16
Al Harrington 16
Ben Gordon 16
Danny Granger 16
Jared Jeffries 16
LaMarcus Aldridge 16
Leandro Barbosa 16
Marcus Camby 16
Sasha Vujacic 16
Amare Stoudemire 15
Boris Diaw 15
Brandon Roy 15
C.J. Watson 15
DeMar DeRozan 15
DeShawn Stevenson 15
Hilton Armstrong 15
Jose Calderon 15
Jrue Holiday 15
Landry Fields 15
Marco Belinelli 15
Steve Blake 15
Willie Green 15
Jason Kidd 14
Daniel Gibson 14
Darren Collison 14
Dwyane Wade 14
Eric Bledsoe 14
James Harden 14
Luc Mbah a Moute 14
Mo Williams 14
Nate Robinson 14
Pau Gasol 14
Paul Pierce 14
Randy Foye 14
Tayshaun Prince 14
C.J. Miles 13
DeAndre Jordan 13
Earl Watson 13
Jason Richardson 13
Jerryd Bayless 13
Kobe Bryant 13
Martell Webster 13
Mickael Pietrus 13
Nenad Krstic 13
Rodney Stuckey 13
Ronnie Brewer 13
Stephen Jackson 13
Ty Lawson 13
Austin Daye 12
Carlos Delfino 12
Charlie Villanueva 12
D.J. Augustin 12
Joel Przybilla 12
Keith Bogans 12
Kyle Korver 12
LeBron James 12
Luke Ridnour 12
Paul George 12
Ramon Sessions 12
Tyrus Thomas 12
Zaza Pachulia 12
Jason Thompson 11
Amir Johnson 11
Andre Iguodala 11
Andres Nocioni 11
Antawn Jamison 11
Carmelo Anthony 11
Chris Duhon 11
Dorell Wright 11
Josh McRoberts 11
Louis Williams 11
Michael Beasley 11
Omri Casspi 11
Richard Jefferson 11
Shelden Williams 11
Spencer Hawes 11
Tony Parker 11
Tracy McGrady 11
Udonis Haslem 11
Al Thornton 10
Anthony Randolph 10
Brook Lopez 10
Carl Landry 10
Chris Bosh 10
Dahntay Jones 10
DeJuan Blair 10
Dwight Howard 10
Eduardo Najera 10
Gilbert Arenas 10
Greg Monroe 10
Hedo Turkoglu 10
Ian Mahinmi 10
Jared Dudley 10
Jarron Collins 10
Joel Anthony 10
Jordan Crawford 10
Louis Amundson 10
Othyus Jeffers 10
Rashard Lewis 10
Richard Hamilton 10
Ron Artest 10
Russell Westbrook 10
Trevor Ariza 10
Wesley Johnson 10
Will Bynum 9
Andray Blatche 9
David Lee 9
Donte Greene 9
Ekpe Udoh 9
Francisco Garcia 9
Ike Diogu 9
Jeff Green 9
Jermaine O’Neal 9
Eugene Jeter 9
Reggie Williams 9
Ronny Turiaf 9
Chauncey Billups 8
Chris Andersen 8
Andrei Kirilenko 8
Baron Davis 8
Brad Miller 8
Brandon Jennings 8
Brian Cook 8
Carlos Arroyo 8
Chase Budinger 8
Craig Smith 8
Earl Boykins 8
Evan Turner 8
Francisco Elson 8
Goran Dragic 8
J.J. Hickson 8
Jamal Crawford 8
Jason Maxiell 8
John Salmons 8
Leon Powe 8
Marcus Thornton 8
Nazr Mohammed 8
Roy Hibbert 8
Shawne Williams 8
Tony Allen 8
Travis Outlaw 8
Tyreke Evans 8
Yi Jianlian 8
Anthony Morrow 7
Brandon Rush 7
Cartier Martin 7
David West 7
Elton Brand 7
Jason Terry 7
Joey Graham 7
Jordan Hill 7
Kevin Durant 7
Manny Harris 7
Ray Allen 7
Reggie Evans 7
Serge Ibaka 7
Stephen Graham 7
T.J. Ford 7
Xavier Henry 7
A.J. Price 7
Hasheem Thabeet 6
Andris Biedrins 6
Darko Milicic 6
Gordon Hayward 6
Ishmael Smith 6
James Anderson 6
Jeff Teague 6
Joe Johnson 6
Jonny Flynn 6
Juwan Howard 6
Kevin Garnett 6
Luke Harangody 6
Luther Head 6
Marquis Daniels 6
O.J. Mayo 6
Quinton Ross 6
Solomon Jones 6
Thabo Sefolosha 6
Zabian Dowdell 6
Zydrunas Ilgauskas 6
Al-Farouq Aminu 5
Armon Johnson 5
Arron Afflalo 5
Dan Gadzuric 5
Dante Cunningham 5
Dirk Nowitzki 5
Eric Maynor 5
Greivis Vasquez 5
Jeremy Lin 5
Johan Petro 5
Josh Childress 5
Josh Howard 5
Julian Wright 5
Maurice Evans 5
Sebastian Telfair 5
Shaun Livingston 5
Tim Duncan 5
Wayne Ellington 5
Wilson Chandler 4
Al Horford 4
Alonzo Gee 4
Brandon Bass 4
Brendan Haywood 4
Charlie Bell 4
Courtney Lee 4
Darnell Jackson 4
David Andersen 4
Jason Smith 4
Jeff Adrien 4
Jeremy Evans 4
Jermaine Taylor 4
Joakim Noah 4
Kyrylo Fesenko 4
Linas Kleiza 4
Luke Walton 4
Mike Miller 4
Rudy Gay 4
Samuel Dalembert 4
Semih Erden 4
Shannon Brown 4
Timofey Mozgov 4
Trevor Booker 4
Willie Warren 4
Zach Randolph 4
Gary Forbes 3
Acie Law 3
Anthony Carter 3
Antonio McDyess 3
Christian Eyenga 3
Didier Ilunga-Mbenga 3
Damien Wilkins 3
Derrick Favors 3
Dominic McGuire 3
Earl Clark 3
Jamario Moon 3
James Johnson 3
Jawad Williams 3
Kevin Seraphin 3
Larry Sanders 3
Lazar Hayward 3
Malik Allen 3
Marvin Williams 3
Matt Barnes 3
Matt Bonner 3
Nikola Pekovic 3
Roger Mason 3
Ryan Gomes 3
Shawn Marion 3
Sonny Weems 3
Sundiata Gaines 3
Taj Gibson 3
Tony Battie 3
Troy Murphy 3
Vladimir Radmanovic 3
Von Wafer 3
Andrew Bynum 2
Ben Uzoh 2
Chris Quinn 2
Chris Wilcox 2
D.J. White 2
Derrick Brown 2
Ed Davis 2
Eddie House 2
Josh Powell 2
Kendrick Perkins 2
Kenyon Martin 2
Lance Stephenson 2
Mario West 2
Melvin Ely 2
Patrick Patterson 2
Quincy Pondexter 2
Robin Lopez 2
Rodrigue Beaubois 2
Royal Ivey 2
Sasha Pavlovic 2
Shaquille O’Neal 2
Aaron Gray 1
Alexis Ajinca 1
Bill Walker 1
Carlos Boozer 1
Chris Douglas-Roberts 1
Daequan Cook 1
Derrick Caracter 1
Devin Ebanks 1
Eric Gordon 1
Erick Dampier 1
Garrett Temple 1
Hamed Haddadi 1
Ime Udoka 1
Jamaal Magloire 1
Jason Kapono 1
Joey Dorsey 1
Kosta Koufos 1
Matt Carroll 1
Rodney Carney 1


Lets see how many players have bad backs in this list.

i swear all of them have been injured here and there, i just can't remember if they were back problems tho.

and theres still that margin for error with playing basketball in general leading to back problems, taking charges or not.

[fos]

Dirk with 5! Good job

[Da_Realist]

Kobe knows damn well that MJ took charges. It ain't even worth posting the evidence.

[jlip]

Kobe knows damn well that MJ took charges. It ain't even worth posting the evidence.

Yep. Even the poster just the other day in his attempt to prove than MJ flopped used a video of MJ taking a charge as his evidence.

Edit: Found it.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...34&postcount=1

[32jazz]

Yep. Even the poster just the other day in his attempt to prove than MJ flopped used a video of MJ taking a charge as his evidence.

Are you & the DaRealist that damn stupid or are you being sarcastic?

[Rake2204]

thing is tho it deters guards from penetrating especially if they get anywhere close to foul trouble. Mike Brown's quote in the article went unnoticed but he did say he puts taking charges over blocking shots in importance. It gives you the ball but more importantly gives the guard a foul, and makes him second guess driving, at the very least worry about any defensive fixtures in the lane a lot more. charge calls can be huge in clutch moments but i guess in a lot of other moments its just another play in a game.

Yep I'm with you here. In terms of strategy, I don't find charges to be particularly riskier than contesting shots. If Rodney Stuckey is barreling down the lane, is it in Shane Battier's best interest to spring from the weak side, get in perfect position between Stuckey and the basket, jump, and try to block the shot? Or is he better off getting to a spot, establishing his position, and taking a charge? I feel as though one of those options would put him at a distinct disadvantage while the other would at least give him a fighting chance on a regular basis.

Without charges, there's virtually no reason whatsoever for a guard, wing, or whoever not to attack the rim with absolute reckless abandon. The only chance the defense would have would be to successfully and cleanly block the opponent's shot, which I find to be quite difficult to pull off on a regular basis. Elsewise, it's going to be a whole lot of free throws. Plus, contrary to popular belief, fouling to send a message isn't as effective as everyone likes to believe it is.

Further, it's not as if someone attempting to take a charge has to set their feet three seconds in advance. Again in terms of strategy, it's not entirely risky to attempt a charge. I've seen folks get side-stepped, but it's not a regular occurrence. Further, I'd venture to say those who are whistled for blocking fouls still likely pale in comparison to those who challenge and are whistled for hacking fouls.

Oh wait, here's the number from 2010-2011 season. Apparently Kobe drew 13 charges.

Lets see how many players have bad backs in this list.

Do you have a link for that list? I'm sort of assuming that list is just an all-encompassing "offensive foul" list, as opposed to strictly being a charges thing.

With that said, I do believe there can be a correlation between charges taken and back injuries. I took a lot of charges in high school and even in a 25 game season, the contusions to my lower back added up very quickly. It's not as if every charge leads to a back injury, it's just that it opens up the possibility for one.

[MontaHardaway]

He just doesnt want to share his true feelings and risk getting fined.

He knows in his heart what every player knows: taking charges is bush league and for bi*tch a$$ floppers who cant defend.

Taking charges is basically getting rewarded for flopping