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    Default Re: Kobe VS Jordan at age 34

    Quote Originally Posted by OldSchoolBBall
    Jordan was basically 35 years old in 1998, not 34 (he started the season 34 and 9 months old and turned 35 mid-way through the season). He also didn't have anywhere near the help around him Kobe does (especially with Pippen missing half the season) and had a cracked knuckle and torn ligament on the index finger of his shooting hand, which is why his shooting was terrible over the first 10-12 games (41% FG/69% FT over that span as compared to 48% FG/83% FT the remaining 68+ games).
    isn't Kobe going to be 35 this season too? Either way stats means squat when his team is losing while putting good numbers. Jordan was good but Kobe is good too. He is just giving props to a good player by comparing him to another good player. Why so insecure bub?

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    Default Re: Kobe VS Jordan at age 34

    Quote Originally Posted by Bandito
    isn't Kobe going to be 35 this season too?
    No, he just turned 34 in August.

    The NBA isn't active from late June until late September

    MJ put up the same offensive stats, better defender, better leader, DRAMATICALLY superior team success.

    No contest. Plus, we'll see where Kobe's numbers end up by the end of this season, which still isn't even half way over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Money 23
    First of all you have the wrong season, MJ's b-day comes at the middle of the season. So you're supposed to compare it to the 1996 - 1997 season. Kobe's only been 34 since August.
    [COLOR="Blue"]Correct, but Kobe also didn't take any breaks from the NBA. There's a lot of milage on those 34 year old legs. [/COLOR]

    Quote Originally Posted by Money 23
    MJ was by far and away better. A true leader who inspired his teammates play, and didn't throw resident role players under the buss claiming they don't play defense.
    [COLOR="Blue"]MJ called his three 7 foot big men 21 feet of shit. Great f**king leadership. Way to inspire your teammates. [/COLOR]

    Quote Originally Posted by Money 23
    MJ didn't take visible breaks on defense like Kobe, in order to save energy for a true agenda to score points.
    [COLOR="Blue"]LA's problems on defense have more to do with a new coach implementing a new system. It takes time for everyone to get on the same page and know where they are supposed to be. This comparison is apples and oranges and it's very hard to measure.
    [/COLOR]

    Quote Originally Posted by Money 23
    MJ put up the same stats, without forcing the issue to get to 30 ppg the way Kobe so visibly does.
    [COLOR="Blue"]Kobe (21 shots per game, 5 assists), MJ (23 shots per game, 3.5 assists) How does that equate to Kobe forcing the issue to get to 30ppg and MJ not?Also, MJ didn't put up the "same stats". They are close but Kobe is slightly better in several of the important ones. [/COLOR]

    Quote Originally Posted by Money 23
    He didn't recruit a couple great players then alienate them by going to the local media he has in his pocket and calling it "my team"

    MJ delegated responsibilities and played a role, even if he was the best player.
    [COLOR="Blue"]These two "points" that you made are absurd and not based in fact. [/COLOR]

    Quote Originally Posted by Money 23
    MJ didn't throw his sidekick Scottie Pippen, a man who like Pau Gasol helped him win rings by saying "he needs to put his big boy pants on" instead MJ pumped him up. Told the media he wouldn't be where he was without Pippen, and that he was an MVP caliber player (even if he wasn't)
    [COLOR="Blue"]Kobe has been ultra supportive of Gasol even though Pau has essentially shit the bed for the last 2.25 years. Kobe was just saying that Pau has to adjust and that is a very fair and accurate statement.[/COLOR]

    Quote Originally Posted by Money 23
    He played very good defense, as proof watch him in the 1997 playoffs shut down Washington Bullet's best and fastest player, Rod Strickland (put him in a straight jacket)
    [COLOR="Blue"] Rod Strickland, lol. He isn't exactly Allen Iverson.
    [/COLOR]

    Quote Originally Posted by Money 23
    MJ was leading the best team in the league, Kobe's leading the Lakers to a #8 seed at best, yet with a MUCH more talented roster surrounding him.
    [COLOR="Blue"]MJ was leading a team full of guys that had been together for many years playing for the greatest coach of all time. Kobe has a bunch of new teammates, a new coach, a new system, and several key players either out of the lineup or not yet playing at 100%.[/COLOR]

    Quote Originally Posted by Money 23
    MJ (34) > Kobe (34)
    [COLOR="Blue"]MJ (34) roughly = Kobe (34)[/COLOR]

    You wont catch me arguing that Kobe is a better overall player than MJ but if Kobe (21 shots per game, 5 assists) is a shot jacker who doesn't pass the ball enough then what does that make MJ (23 shots per game, 3.5 assists)?

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    What were their respective teams' win-loss record after 25 games?

    Bulls: 16-9 (would end December 1997 @ 20-10)
    Fakers: 11-14

    You be the judge...
    Last edited by Shaquille O'Neal; 12-17-2012 at 10:05 PM.

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    Default Re: Kobe VS Jordan at age 34

    Quote Originally Posted by LamarOdom
    At age 34 Jordan was in his last season with the Bulls Kobe in his current, the season is still young so a lot can happen with Kobe's season, but the little older members here who was best at this point? I never saw MJ play in his Bulls days except some old clips so I can't say more than what I see on the their respective stats.

    A thing I noticed instantly is Kobe's terrible turnovers and MJ's 3pt shooting was terrible. MJ's fg% was at an alltime low for him at that point while Kobe is currently shooting a career high.'

    Kobe has been a bit lazy on D how was Mike?







    Michael Jordan was 35 in his last season with the Chicago Bulls. He turned 35 in Feb. 1998

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    Okay Mike was 35 I get it enough with one of y'all to post it, he was around 5 months older than Kobe so they were basically the same age.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaquille O'Neal
    What were their respective teams' win-loss record after 25 games?

    Bulls: 16-9 (would end December 1997 @ 20-10)
    Fakers: 11-14

    You be the judge...
    Lakers have had three coaches this season and starters out or injured, but mostly it's Lakers new coaches.

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    Default Re: Kobe VS Jordan at age 34

    Quote Originally Posted by Money 23
    First of all you have the wrong season, MJ's b-day comes at the middle of the season. So you're supposed to compare it to the 1996 - 1997 season. Kobe's only been 34 since August.

    MJ was by far and away better. A true leader who inspired his teammates play, and didn't throw resident role players under the buss claiming they don't play defense.

    MJ didn't take visible breaks on defense like Kobe, in order to save energy for a true agenda to score points.

    MJ put up the same stats, without forcing the issue to get to 30 ppg the way Kobe so visibly does.

    He didn't recruit a couple great players then alienate them by going to the local media he has in his pocket and calling it "my team"

    MJ delegated responsibilities and played a role, even if he was the best player.

    MJ didn't throw his sidekick Scottie Pippen, a man who like Pau Gasol helped him win rings by saying "he needs to put his big boy pants on" instead MJ pumped him up. Told the media he wouldn't be where he was without Pippen, and that he was an MVP caliber player (even if he wasn't)

    He played very good defense, as proof watch him in the 1997 playoffs shut down Washington Bullet's best and fastest player, Rod Strickland (put him in a straight jacket)

    MJ was leading the best team in the league, Kobe's leading the Lakers to a #8 seed at best, yet with a MUCH more talented roster surrounding him.

    MJ (34) > Kobe (34)

    Have you watched Kobe's interview with Stephen A. Smith?

    He was actually very supportive of Gasol and his teammates. Please watch it if you haven't. Think it is one of his best interviews he has ever done.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STt32vWt20c

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvKgswUiwWk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIqgOz_x8oI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSOpNu7c_Xg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kobe 4 The Win
    [COLOR="Blue"]Correct, but Kobe also didn't take any breaks from the NBA. There's a lot of milage on those 34 year old legs. [/COLOR]

    [COLOR="Blue"]MJ called his three 7 foot big men 21 feet of shit. Great f**king leadership. Way to inspire your teammates. [/COLOR]

    [COLOR="Blue"]LA's problems on defense have more to do with a new coach implementing a new system. It takes time for everyone to get on the same page and know where they are supposed to be. This comparison is apples and oranges and it's very hard to measure.
    [/COLOR]

    [COLOR="Blue"]Kobe (21 shots per game, 5 assists), MJ (23 shots per game, 3.5 assists) How does that equate to Kobe forcing the issue to get to 30ppg and MJ not?Also, MJ didn't put up the "same stats". They are close but Kobe is slightly better in several of the important ones. [/COLOR]

    [COLOR="Blue"]These two "points" that you made are absurd and not based in fact. [/COLOR]

    [COLOR="Blue"]Kobe has been ultra supportive of Gasol even though Pau has essentially shit the bed for the last 2.25 years. Kobe was just saying that Pau has to adjust and that is a very fair and accurate statement.[/COLOR]

    [COLOR="Blue"] Rod Strickland, lol. He isn't exactly Allen Iverson.
    [/COLOR]

    [COLOR="Blue"]MJ was leading a team full of guys that had been together for many years playing for the greatest coach of all time. Kobe has a bunch of new teammates, a new coach, a new system, and several key players either out of the lineup or not yet playing at 100%.[/COLOR]

    [COLOR="Blue"]MJ (34) roughly = Kobe (34)[/COLOR]

    You wont catch me arguing that Kobe is a better overall player than MJ but if Kobe (21 shots per game, 5 assists) is a shot jacker who doesn't pass the ball enough then what does that make MJ (23 shots per game, 3.5 assists)?


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    Jordan was a huge liability on defense that year. Stamina wasn't as good as Kobe's either.

    Not saying that Kobe is great on defense this year but MJ certainly wasn't any better.

    Kobe has more turnovers probably because he has to handle the ball in a run-you-to-the-ground system which produces more possessions and possibly more turnovers.

    Also, I have always said MJ was the original "chucker".

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    MJ really was on his last legs. If he didn't take those 2 years off to rest he would have never hit his 2nd 3peat.

    Look just how bad MJ was at free throws. He never hit 80 percent that year. Freaking free throws.

    He never said he was officially retiring but the media and Bob Costas basically knew he was done and hinted that he should leave because of his play.

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    Default Re: Kobe VS Jordan at age 34

    Quote Originally Posted by 9erempiree
    MJ really was on his last legs. If he didn't take those 2 years off to rest he would have never hit his 2nd 3peat.

    Look just how bad MJ was at free throws. He never hit 80 percent that year. Freaking free throws.

    He never said he was officially retiring but the media and Bob Costas basically knew he was done and hinted that he should leave because of his play.
    So an MJ on his last legs was still good enough to win MVP, a championship, Finals MVP, scoring title, and even an ASG MVP?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Money 23
    Gasol is milking his "tendinitis" a vague injury in of itself that EVERYONE deals with, because he's discontent due to Kobe's piss poor leadership abilities.
    Reach harder

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    Default Re: Kobe VS Jordan at age 34

    Quote Originally Posted by 9erempiree
    MJ really was on his last legs. If he didn't take those 2 years off to rest he would have never hit his 2nd 3peat.

    Look just how bad MJ was at free throws. He never hit 80 percent that year. Freaking free throws.

    He never said he was officially retiring but the media and Bob Costas basically knew he was done and hinted that he should leave because of his play.
    You do realize Mj won mvp that year right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by juju151111
    You do realize Mj won mvp that year right?
    yep.

    Like you, if Kobe doesn't get it this year, it just shows you where this award is heading.

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    Default Re: Kobe VS Jordan at age 34

    Quote Originally Posted by 9erempiree
    yep.

    Like you, if Kobe doesn't get it this year, it just shows you where this award is heading.
    Kobe is not playing better then Durant,Lebron, and even Melo. Stay off the crack.

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