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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterDurant24
    Thomas Jefferson was probably the most racist president lol.
    So youre saying hew was the best?

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    Clinton has always been my personal favorite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heilige
    Thomas Jefferson had slaves, so don't you think he was sort of a hypocrite?
    The cute idea of freedom is always evolving. In 200 years from now(if we even make it that far) I wonder what they would be saying about our notion of freedom??

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    my personal favorite is Nixon, more so because I find his persona interesting. How can someone who had all his self doubts and paranoia reach the highest office in the land???

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMM
    my personal favorite is Nixon, more so because I find his persona interesting. How can someone who had all his self doubts and paranoia reach the highest office in the land???
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gVESsj9okI

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    Quote Originally Posted by miller-time
    Can you describe the video I can't access it from work

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMM
    Can you describe the video I can't access it from work
    Just a Futurama Nixon video, they are talking about why they would/wouldn't vote for him.

    I love Futurama's Nixon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miller-time
    Just a Futurama Nixon video, they are talking about why they would/wouldn't vote for him.

    I love Futurama's Nixon.
    The only one who's changed is me. I've become more bitter and, let's face it, crazy over the years. And when I'm swept into office, I'll sell our children's organs to zoos for meat, and I'll go into people's houses at night and wreck up the place!
    my fav Nixon quote, I also love Evil Lincoln

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    Abe.

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    Who killed vampires when they were still president? That's my favorite president.

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    Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, FDR on my short list.

    I have Washington out front. Many posts in this thread talk about him being overrated but I believe he is in fact underrated.

    There are Presidents who have accomplished more during their Presidency, but Washington's impact on the office itself cannot be overstated. I really believe that ANY other man from Jefferson, to Madison, etc. and the U.S. would not have been as successful in those early years, and may have in fact collapsed a bit. (I don't think completely because along with Washington you had a large collection of extremely capable politicians, which is something the British didn't take into account... and I'm getting off track).

    Washington is still the standard bearer for the office. Here, I advise you to read his farewell address.

    All of the founding fathers, indeed even the Revolution itself, if muddled with myth these days, but Washington is the one man that, the farther I go into history, he still seems to live up to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heilige
    Thomas Jefferson had slaves, so don't you think he was sort of a hypocrite?
    Regarding Jefferson's slaves:

    He was given them when he was 14, and was not legally allowed to free them. He actually tried hard to do so, and was a vocal opponent of slavery. He just lived in the wrong times politically to get anything done about it.

    I'm sure he could of fought of harder against slavery, especially as president, although doing so would of political suicide during his time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heilige
    Thomas Jefferson had slaves, so don't you think he was sort of a hypocrite?
    http://www.monticello.org/site/plant...on-and-slavery

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterDurant24
    Thomas Jefferson was probably the most racist president lol.

    Lol I know you're retarded on 3 levels now.

    1) AJ's Trail of Tears is clearly more racist in nature than anything TJ did.
    2) Like who gives a fukk about minor social issues when the dude had a great track record overall. No wonder this generation is retarded. Taught to argue gay rights and abortion over and over and over again in highschool with a foreign and domestic affairs wayyy in the background.. Taught to discredit any credibility from the "less socially progressive" when they could very well have much to offer in other areas.L That's like belittling MLK's legacy cuz he was a womanizer, or MJ's because he'z an azzhole. We're looking for competent, charismatic leaders here, not beacons of morality.
    3) Kevin Durant is not worthy of holding the Master title.


    Anywho
    #1) TJ. Monticello, Louisana Purchase, D.o.I, and many more!!!
    #2) TDR. Conservation and Rough Ryder ftw!!!
    #3) Jackson. Anti-National Bank ftw!!!!

    FDR, Washington, and Lincoln below that.. only getting 2nd tier because of their major sins. FDR Messin wit da SC and the checks and balances, GW should've married a hawter brawd, and Abe freed the slaves in the South befo da north and came with his share of scandals. He commanded SHerman to go all-out adnd burned way too much Agriculture as well.. not wise. Johnson (fuikker) demonstrated one of the worst ways to recuperate from all this destruction.

    Underrated.
    LBJ, Truman, Taft, Polk, JQA.
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