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    Quote Originally Posted by bwink23
    By that logic, the 01 76ers were as a good a defensive team as the 08 Celtics.......
    They were as effective at limiting their opponents on a point per possession basis over the course of the entire regular season. Its not a ranking, just a simple fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwink23
    By that logic, the 01 76ers were as a good a defensive team as the 08 Celtics.......
    when teams Jordan is going up against are consistantly are giving up more ppg than the ones MJ faced it indicates the stronger defensive teams. No, the 01 sixers probably aren't as good at defense as the celtics BUT the overall trend is teams Jordan saw in the finals are < defensively skilled than Kobe's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlayerEnraged
    when teams Jordan is going up against are consistantly are giving up more ppg than the ones MJ faced it indicates the stronger defensive teams. No, the 01 sixers probably aren't as good at defense as the celtics BUT the overall trend is teams Jordan saw in the finals are < defensively skilled than Kobe's.

    Is that why Kobe shoots subpar in most of his NBA Finals???

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwink23
    Is that why Kobe shoots subpar in most of his NBA Finals???
    Seems like common sense to me. How much better would Kobe have to be than Jordan to face much more effective defenses in his time and still shoot a higher percentage than him?

    04 Pistons 95.4
    01 76ers 98.9
    08 Celtics 98.9
    02 Nets 99.5
    93 Knicks 99.7
    97 Heat 100.6

    09 Magic 101.9
    00 Pacers 103.6
    10 Celtics 103.8


    MJ vs 97 Heat

    Game 1 15 for 31
    Game 2 4 for 15
    Game 3 14 for 25
    Game 4 9 for 35
    Game 5 11 for 31

    MJ vs 93 Knicks

    Game 1 10 for 27
    Game 2 12 for 32
    Game 3 3 for 18
    Game 4 18 for 30
    Game 5 11 for 24
    Game 6 8 for 24


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yao Ming's Foot
    Seems like common sense to me. How much better would Kobe have to be than Jordan to face much more effective defenses in his time and still shoot a higher percentage than him?

    04 Pistons 95.4
    01 76ers 98.9
    08 Celtics 98.9
    02 Nets 99.5
    93 Knicks 99.7
    97 Heat 100.6

    09 Magic 101.9
    00 Pacers 103.6
    10 Celtics 103.8


    MJ vs 97 Heat

    Game 1 15 for 31
    Game 2 4 for 15
    Game 3 14 for 25
    Game 4 9 for 35
    Game 5 11 for 31

    MJ vs 93 Knicks

    Game 1 10 for 27
    Game 2 12 for 32
    Game 3 3 for 18
    Game 4 18 for 30
    Game 5 11 for 24
    Game 6 8 for 24


    When did the ESTIMATED defensive rating have any bearing on how well a guy shoots on any given night???


    Kobe has shot like crap against good defenses, bad defenses, mediocre defenses, etc. The fact that he consistently shoots like shit in the Finals is a very telling indicator of his shortcomings on the biggest stage....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwink23
    When did the ESTIMATED defensive rating have any bearing on how well a guy shoots on any given night???


    Kobe has shot like crap against good defenses, bad defenses, mediocre defenses, etc. The fact that he consistently shoots like shit in the Finals is a very telling indicator of his shortcomings on the biggest stage....
    If you dont understand how the strength of defense impacts an individual player's shooting percentage or how defensive rating measures the strength of a defense during that specific year i don't know if I can help you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yao Ming's Foot
    If you dont understand how the strength of defense impacts an individual player's shooting percentage or how defensive rating measures the strength of a defense during that specific year i don't know if I can help you.

    You need to help yourself...those numbers don't mean crap in the playoffs. Your performances is what matters.

    Kobe in 2009 playoffs vs. Jazz (10th D)

    46.6%FG

    Kobe in 2009 playoffs vs. Rockets (4th D)

    47.5%FG


    There is no direct correlation of how a player shoots vs. Defensive rating you silly goose....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yao Ming's Foot
    If you dont understand how the strength of defense impacts an individual player's shooting percentage or how defensive rating measures the strength of a defense during that specific year i don't know if I can help you.
    Kobe vs 2000-01 Spurs (98.0 Def Rtg): 34ppg on 53%FG


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    Quote Originally Posted by bwink23
    You need to help yourself...those numbers don't mean crap in the playoffs. Your performances is what matters.

    Kobe in 2009 playoffs vs. Jazz (10th D)

    46.6%FG

    Kobe in 2009 playoffs vs. Rockets (4th D)

    47.5%FG


    There is no direct correlation of how a player shoots vs. Defensive rating you silly goose....


    Of course there is. Are you serious?

    Defensive rating is derived from holding the opposition from scoring on a per possession basis.

    We can bet from here on out Ill take the biggest shot taker against the Nets every game and you can have the biggest shot taker against the 76ers. Whose players do you think are going to shoot the higher percentage?

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    Default Re: Kobe Playoff vs. Finals Scoring During Title Years

    Quote Originally Posted by kuniva_dAMiGhTy
    Kobe vs 2000-01 Spurs (98.0 Def Rtg): 34ppg on 53%FG


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    Default Re: Kobe Playoff vs. Finals Scoring During Title Years

    Quote Originally Posted by Yao Ming's Foot
    What happened in the Finals!?!?

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    LOL@ Yao ming's foot using advanced stats when they fit his Kobe slurping agenda. He hates advanced stats when they favor Wade over Kobe though. the irony!

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    Default Re: Kobe Playoff vs. Finals Scoring During Title Years

    Quote Originally Posted by kuniva_dAMiGhTy
    What happened in the Finals?


    Kobe haters have fallen so far that they cant even admit that facing a tougher defense would result in a lower shooting percentage. Its basic basketball knowledge and common sense. Are you guys really that insecure in Jordan's legacy that you cant even admit that?


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    Default Re: Kobe Playoff vs. Finals Scoring During Title Years

    Quote Originally Posted by Yao Ming's Foot

    See previous post.....by your logic Kobe wouldn't have shot as well against the Rockets as he did vs. the Jazz....that right there throws your argument in the trash....

    FACTS REMAIN.....kobe is a career 41%FG shooter in the Finals, period....that SUCKS!!!!!!!!

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    Default Re: Kobe Playoff vs. Finals Scoring During Title Years

    Quote Originally Posted by Yao Ming's Foot

    And anyone with a BRAIN knows that the early 90's Knicks were a far greater defensive team than the 2001 76ers EVER were....so take your Dratings and put them in the trash where they belong.

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