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    Default Re: Michael Jordan WON a championship by himself. Many are just Ignorant about it on ISH

    team defense dude. yes jordan was by far the best player by then in the game, but team defense involves more than 1 guy. i dont care if he was defensive player of the year, mvp, horseradish of the year, basketball means you win with good role play from the rest of your team. this is no slight to him, believe that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Round Mound
    This is The Kind of Crap I Had to Put Up With In the 90s while Not Being a Jordan Fan . What Where Pippen`s Numbers In the 1991 Finals? Especially Would Like to See Those In Game 5....Someone?


    How about Game 1. when Bulls went down 0-1

    How about Game 3 OT numbers as MJ took over

    Game 5 isn't the only game of NBA Finals.

    reality is Pippen didnt mature into an all-star till age 26 in 1992.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Round Mound
    Nice Try

    Barkley Never Said What You Say About Pippen. Bull. He Actually Said Jordan Was Lucky to Play With Pippen in His Prime, as Well as Grant and Rodman!. Jordan had 2 All Stars Back Him Up In Their Primes and His Prime His Whole Career.

    Pippen Became an All Star in 1990 In Case You Forgot and He Helped Jordan Win a Ring by Guarding Drexler and Magic the Best. out of those 1st Two Rings.

    He Was the Best Defender in the Bulls by Far and The Best Perimeter Defender in the League.

    He Had More Responsabilities than Jordan because He Was the Point-Forward Under a Trinagle that Diminished His Stats. He Had To Do More Stuff than Just Score. Create and Be the Best Defender in the Team is Something That Usually is Given to 2 Different Players, Yet Pippen Had No Problem With That and Did Both Jobs at a Great Level ( Not to Mention, Rebound, Score, Team Defend etc)

    He Had To Create (Something Jordan finally Accepted since Phil Was Trying to Make Jordan Understand This and Finally It Happened), Be the 2nd Lead Scorer, Be The 2nd Lead Rebounder, Be The Best Defender, Be The Best Team Defender and Play as a Teamate More than a Star.

    Pippen`s 1991 Stats while Being the Best Individual Defender For Those Play-Offs and Finals (Defensive Rating Agrees): 20.8 PPG (45.3% FG), 9.4 RPG, 6.6 APG, 2.4 SPG and 1.0 BPG.

    If Those are Not All Star Level Stats Then What Are?
    EPIC FAIL.

    1991 NBA all-defensive [COLOR="DarkRed"]FIRST[/COLOR] team: MICHAEL JORDAN.
    1991 NBA all-defensive [COLOR="Navy"]SECOND[/COLOR] team: SCOTTIE PIPPEN.

    OVERRATED Pippen could not even get to all-defensive first team in 1991 by age 25. It took him another year.

    Barkley is full of cr@@p as usual. over crediting pippen to deliberately undermine MJ.

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    OP is so ****ing ignorant..

    Nobody can win by himself even the Great Black Mamba needed a soft Power Forward, injury prone center and a worst starting PG in the league in order for him to win back 2 back title.. If Kobe cant win by himself then theres no way Jordan could..

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOBE143
    OP is so ****ing ignorant..

    Nobody can win by himself even the Great Black Mamba needed a soft Power Forward, injury prone center and a worst starting PG in the league in order for him to win back 2 back title.. If Kobe cant win by himself then theres no way Jordan could..
    damb phakkot

    Cheap Copy Cryant as a lone all-star on LAL in 2006 season could not even make it to Playoffs live alone winning a PO series by himself.

    Only thing this trash is good for is licking MJ's black mamba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOBE143
    OP is so ****ing ignorant..

    Nobody can win by himself even the Great Black Mamba needed a soft Power Forward, injury prone center and a worst starting PG in the league in order for him to win back 2 back title.. If Kobe cant win by himself then theres no way Jordan could..
    repped

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    Good lord you make Jordan fans look bad.

    Is this how Laker fans feel after a post from the usual Kobe stan suspects?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Round Mound
    Pippen Became an All Star in 1990 In Case You Forgot and He Helped Jordan Win a Ring by Guarding Drexler and Magic the Best. out of those 1st Two Rings.
    Jordan guarded Drexler the majority of the time in the '92 Finals, not Pippen.

    He Was the Best Defender in the Bulls by Far and The Best Perimeter Defender in the League.
    Not prior to Jordan's retirement he wasn't. Jordan was the best defender on the early 90's Bulls.

    Create and Be the Best Defender in the Team is Something That Usually is Given to 2 Different Players, Yet Pippen Had No Problem With That and Did Both Jobs at a Great Level ( Not to Mention, Rebound, Score, Team Defend etc)
    That's funny, because Jordan was a better creator than Pippen and a better defender. And he rebounded at an elite level for a guard. And was an all-time level scorer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leviathon1121
    Good lord you make Jordan fans look bad.

    Is this how Laker fans feel after a post from the usual Kobe stan suspects?
    my fav player is Clyde btw.

    my fav teams in 1990s were portland & NYK btw. I hated the bulls.

    Just the reality check. MJ won hist 1st with pippen still hasnt become an all-star till next year.

    plain & simple.

    so this garbage logic about MJ won jack shittee till pippen became Bull is illogical.

    1991 Pippen could easily be replaced by another 1991 non-allstar Horace Grant-like player a.k.a. Oakley & MJ will still beat LAL in 6 games.

    thats my point.

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    So because Pippen wasn't an All Star in 1991 ( even though he was the year before) he's automatically a distant barely effective role player (as you suggest) even though he averaged 17 PPG, 7 RPG, and 6 APG during that season and 21 PPG, 9 RPG, 5 APG during the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderRight
    So because Pippen wasn't an All Star in 1991 ( even though he was the year before) he's automatically a distant barely effective role player (as you suggest) even though he averaged 17 PPG, 7 RPG, and 6 APG during that season and 21 PPG, 9 RPG, 5 APG during the playoffs.
    Yes. totally!!

    Just look at Kobe to Shaq

    Just look at Wade to LBJ

    a 24 yrs old 1990 all-star reserve MUST become a 25 yrs old all-star STARTER if not hold that RESERVE spot if injury is not an issue.

    Otherwise,

    It shows Pippen declined into a NON-allstar Horace Grant in the following year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gengiskhan
    EPIC FAIL.

    1991 NBA all-defensive [COLOR="DarkRed"]FIRST[/COLOR] team: MICHAEL JORDAN.
    1991 NBA all-defensive [COLOR="Navy"]SECOND[/COLOR] team: SCOTTIE PIPPEN.

    OVERRATED Pippen could not even get to all-defensive first team in 1991 by age 25. It took him another year.

    Barkley is full of cr@@p as usual. over crediting pippen to deliberately undermine MJ.
    Do You Think I Go By Votes and Selections? Save That to the Media and Dumb Fans...I Actually Watchted Those 1991 NBA Finals Myself LIVE and Pippen Was the Best Defender. Jordan Was Also a Monster Defender But So Was Pippen, The Best Defender in the Bulls... Statistically It Also Prooven that Pippen Was the Best Bulls Defender:


    NBA & ABA Year-by-Year Playoff Leaders and Records for Defensive Rating

    Year Lg Player DRtg Tm
    2012 NBA Josh Smith 93.20 ATL
    2011 NBA Dwight Howard 95.73 ORL
    2010 NBA Dwight Howard 92.98 ORL
    2009 NBA Dwight Howard 98.35 ORL
    2008 NBA Tim Duncan 98.51 SAS
    2007 NBA Jason Kidd 94.63 NJN
    2006 NBA Alonzo Mourning 95.13 MIA
    2005 NBA Ben Wallace 93.48 DET
    2004 NBA Ben Wallace 83.91 DET
    2003 NBA Ben Wallace 90.51 DET
    2002 NBA Ben Wallace 86.41 DET
    2001 NBA David Robinson* 92.42 SAS
    2000 NBA David Robinson* 84.01 SAS
    1999 NBA David Robinson* 87.33 SAS
    1998 NBA David Robinson* 93.42 SAS
    1997 NBA Alonzo Mourning 94.64 MIA
    [COLOR="red"]1996 NBA Scottie Pippen* 96.07 CHI [/COLOR]
    1995 NBA David Robinson* 97.53 SAS
    1994 NBA Patrick Ewing* 94.34 NYK
    1993 NBA Hakeem Olajuwon* 96.56 HOU
    1992 NBA Dennis Rodman* 99.35 DET
    [COLOR="red"]1991 NBA Scottie Pippen* 99.52 CHI[/COLOR]
    1990 NBA Bill Laimbeer 96.32 DET
    1989 NBA Dennis Rodman* 99.38 DET
    1988 NBA Bill Laimbeer 99.51 DET
    1987 NBA Hakeem Olajuwon* 102.24 HOU
    1986 NBA Bill Walton* 100.62 BOS
    1985 NBA Ralph Sampson* 97.16 HOU
    1984 NBA Buck Williams 99.41 NJN
    1983 NBA Moses Malone* 95.76 PHI
    1982 NBA Larry Bird* 94.21 BOS
    1981 NBA Truck Robinson 94.51 PHO
    1980 NBA Larry Bird* 95.93 BOS
    1979 NBA Gar Heard 90.53 PHO
    1978 NBA Caldwell Jones 93.56 PHI
    1977 NBA Bill Walton* 89.53 POR
    1976 NBA Elvin Hayes* 88.11 WSB
    ABA Mike Gale 100.65 SAA
    1975 NBA George Johnson 87.05 GSW
    ABA Artis Gilmore* 95.43 KEN
    1974 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 89.90 MIL
    ABA Wendell Ladner 88.92 NYA

    The Only Modern SF To Ever Lead the League In Defensive Rating: The Rest Are All Big Men:

    Defensive Rating

    1990-91 NBA 101.7 (8)
    1991-92 NBA 102.2 (8)
    1993-94 NBA 96.9 (7)
    [COLOR="Red"]1994-95 NBA 98.3 (1)[/COLOR]
    1995-96 NBA 100.7 (10)

    With Jordan Out a Constant Top 7-4 Best Player in the Game

    Player Efficiency Rating

    1993-94 NBA 23.2 (4)
    1994-95 NBA 22.6 (7)
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    Default Re: Michael Jordan WON a championship by himself. Many are just Ignorant about it on ISH

    Quote Originally Posted by gengiskhan
    Yes. totally!!

    Just look at Kobe to Shaq

    Just look at Wade to LBJ

    a 24 yrs old 1990 all-star reserve MUST become a 25 yrs old all-star STARTER if not hold that RESERVE spot if injury is not an issue.

    Otherwise,

    It shows Pippen declined into a NON-allstar Horace Grant in the following year.
    Holy fcuk! Just cause he wasn't an all star doesn't mean he's only as effective as Horrace Grant. I hope to god you are trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderRight
    Holy fcuk! Just cause he wasn't an all star doesn't mean he's only as effective as Horrace Grant. I hope to god you are trolling.
    Pippen learning curve as many think is not constantly UPWARDS in reality.

    1990 all star reserve...shows promise of becoming a very good SUPPORT player.
    1991. regressed !
    1992. all-star STARTER. coming of age. Becomes top 5 NBA players.
    1993. regressed STATs wise regular season.
    1994. Best season STATs & MVP voting & DPOY voting
    1995. Regressed AGAIN stats. Poor leadership. Bulls a .500 team MJ CAME BACK & everything is forgotten.

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    And so it begins. The great shitstorm of our time.

    FUKIN LOL

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