The Big Ass Second Term/Politics thread part V

[longhornfan1234]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...620-story.html

Obama is doing little for our border control.


Our subsidies have undermined NAFTA to the point where we've created a 3rd world environment in Northern Mexico. IMO... before we start taking a hard line on immigration we need to give them a fighting chance to have economic success in their home land. Most of those people don't want to be here... they feel like they need to be either to find work or to escape the cartels. Helping them (not with money... but with more fair trade policies) economically would undermine the authority of the cartels and reduce the number of people feeling like they need to come here.

[longhornfan1234]

Obama said he didn't pull the troops out of Iraq....that it was Maliki that forced them to leave and then implied that he didn't agree with removing the troops and this isn't his fault.

[boozehound]

Obama said he didn't pull the troops out of Iraq....that it was Maliki that forced them to leave and then implied that he didn't agree with removing the troops and this isn't his fault.

you do realize the withdrawal treaty was signed under bush? Which legally obligated the US to withdraw.

and obama did ask to leave a force there, but the conditions (completely under Iraqi control, etc) were so unreasonable that there was no real chance to do so.

I am no Obama apologist but, damn, people are ridiculous in trying to pin everything on him.

[pastis]

you do realize the withdrawal treaty was signed under bush? Which legally obligated the US to withdraw.

and obama did ask to leave a force there, but the conditions (completely under Iraqi control, etc) were so unreasonable that there was no real chance to do so.

I am no Obama apologist but, damn, people are ridiculous in trying to pin everything on him.

i think there is nothing in the world which the usa care less than the law

[longhornfan1234]

you do realize the withdrawal treaty was signed under bush? Which legally obligated the US to withdraw.

and obama did ask to leave a force there, but the conditions (completely under Iraqi control, etc) were so unreasonable that there was no real chance to do so.

I am no Obama apologist but, damn, people are ridiculous in trying to pin everything on him.

That can be changed. It was a draw down and assess the situation type of agreement. that you are acting like Obama's hands were tied. Don't be naive.

[KevinNYC]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...620-story.html

Obama is doing little for our border control.

How does the article actually indicate that?

[longhornfan1234]

How does the article actually indicate that?

You didn't read Republicans' responses?

[kentatm]

Obama said he didn't pull the troops out of Iraq....that it was Maliki that forced them to leave and then implied that he didn't agree with removing the troops and this isn't his fault.

Umm... thats exactly what happened and it was something Bush agreed to do.

how do you not know that?

[longhornfan1234]

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/video/ec...1vNG_WLAA.html


This isn't good.

[rufuspaul]

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/video/ec...1vNG_WLAA.html


This isn't good.

It's understandable, especially with the shitty weather we had to deal with in the 1st quarter. There are some positive signs, such as consumer confidence, that bode well for the coming quarters. I think we'll see 3% or so growth for the year.

[KevinNYC]

You didn't read Republicans' responses?

Yes, but that doesn't actual mean there was any change at all with our border control.

[Dresta]

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/video/ec...1vNG_WLAA.html


This isn't good.

C'mon Obama: print more money, save us all!!! We needz more demand!!!

[longhornfan1234]

The Supreme Court ruled Obama's recess appointments are unconstitutional. There is no legitimate way to claim this doesn't make Obama look terrible. He is supposed to be this brilliant Constitutional expert. If a decision goes 9-0... then the outcome was a slam dunk. He either is an idiot who couldn't see this drubbing coming and thought his appointments were legitimate... or if he did think they were illegitimate... he simply didn't care about making an unconstitutional power grab. As so often happens with the "I just found out about it on the news.... that negligence was someone else's fault, not mine" President... he is at best pathetically inept and in over his head... or at worse pathologically corrupt and malicious.. not to mention a liar. Neither paints a good picture... and it has to be one or the other.

[KevinNYC]

Obama requests $500M for Syria opposition

[KevinNYC]

The Supreme Court ruled Obama's recess appointments are unconstitutional. There is no legitimate way to claim this doesn't make Obama look terrible. He is supposed to be this brilliant Constitutional expert. If a decision goes 9-0... then the outcome was a slam dunk. He either is an idiot who couldn't see this drubbing coming and thought his appointments were legitimate... or if he did think they were illegitimate... he simply didn't care about making an unconstitutional power grab. As so often happens with the "I just found out about it on the news.... that negligence was someone else's fault, not mine" President... he is at best pathetically inept and in over his head... or at worse pathologically corrupt and malicious.. not to mention a liar. Neither paints a good picture... and it has to be one or the other.

Yeah, he's gone crazy with power. This is unprecedented. Or maybe not.



I think you're overstating what happened by quite a bit. The court did NOT invalidate recess appointments in general or all of Obama's appointments. In fact the appeals court decision went much further than this Supreme Court decision. By a 5-4 margin the court rejected the appeals court argument and said Presidents can make recess appointments. (The four in this case were concurring opinions and not dissenting ones, but they wanted, like the appeals court, to go much further than the majority.)

The 9-0 ruling was on a much narrower scope, I believe only applies to the 3 appointments* in this case and they are not longer even in those positions.

(*4 appointments See quote below.)
The Court basically said you can make some recess appointments and not others and the deciding factor is the length of the recess. If the recess is less than 10 days you can't make them.

What are the practical consequences of the ruling?
There won't be too many near-term consequences from this decision. The controversial NLRB nominees have all since left the board, and though the decisions they issued there may now be invalid, their replacements have since been confirmed by the Senate. And Richard Cordray of the CFPB was confirmed by the Senate last year, so he's in the clear.

Overall, the president's recess power remains mostly intact — but it's less important than ever. With the recent filibuster rules change, Obama can get more of his nominees through the chamber without Republican support. Historically, the recess appointment power has been important during periods of divided government. But the GOP is still requiring pro forma sessions to block official recesses (unless the president promises not to appoint any nominees). So while recess appointments may still be possible, they're looking increasingly like a thing of the past.