Kobe Bryant Vs Larry Bird

[Killer_Instinct]

wow

like ive said b4 most casual fans are sensible and know that kobe is nowhere near jordan and not even better than bird

its the kobe homers that are the extreme fans and come on espn and come on message boards saying kobe>jordan jordan was overrated kobe has to play against zone that make you think that ppl actually think kobe is better than jordan

and My theory was proven correct again

Who the fuck has said that you dumbass? You are the biggest 'homer' on this website. You constantly have your tounge under Mayos balls. Get your head out of your ass.

[Interminator]

Kobe is great but not as great as Bird.

Specificaly, Bird is more clutch in the playoffs. Bird won his chips as the Man. Kobe won his chips as the sidekick.

Bird was the star player but lets not forget his sidekicks for those Championships both are in the HOF.

When you look back on the Laker's 3Peat years from now outside of die hard basketball fans who lived through it they won't be able to name any other players except Kobe & Shaq from that team.

Names like Rick Fox,Derrick Fisher,and Samaki Walker aren't everlasting compared to that of McHale and Parrish.

I'm done because this has the potential to be debated to the death.

Kobe is a Living Legend.
If Kobe retired today he'd go down as the 2nd Greatest SG Of All-Time.

[Interminator]

The things Kobe has done, can/has been done by every other Superstar in the league. I'm willing to bet we'll see another Kobe Bryant in the next 2-3 years.

Doubt it.

There will never be another Kobe because theres never been another Legend player.

I've never seen another Magic,Bird,Kareem,Malone,Stockton,Jordan,Hakeem,Ew ing,Shaq,Kobe,A.I.,Garnett,Kidd,Dirk,Isiah,etc.

Legends carve their own path.

[DuMa]

81 Points

That is the defining image of Kobe's career so far of him hitting 81 points against Toronto.

But Kobe doing something spectacular in the Finals this year will replace that image.

being a great scorer doesnt mean legendary status. there has been lots of great scorers over the years.... theyre not legendary, they just scored a lot of points.

being legendary means winning championships, being feared by your opponents, elevating your game in the most important games, and having consistent memorable moments.

[Killer_Instinct]

Doubt it.

There will never be another Kobe because theres never been another Legend player.

I've never seen another Magic,Bird,Kareem,Malone,Stockton,Jordan,Hakeem,Ew ing,Shaq,Kobe,A.I.,Garnett,Kidd,Dirk,Isiah,etc.

Legends carve their own path.

That was my point.

[Scott Pippen]

Who the fuck has said that you dumbass? You are the biggest 'homer' on this website. You constantly have your tounge under Mayos balls. Get your head out of your ass.

I do not defend lilojmayo, but there was many, many, many people saying that. Before The Finals

Kobe still hasnt done anything legendary.

[Rolando]

Bird was the star player but lets not forget his sidekicks for those Championships both are in the HOF.

When you look back on the Laker's 3Peat years from now outside of die hard basketball fans who lived through it they won't be able to name any other players except Kobe & Shaq from that team.

Names like Rick Fox,Derrick Fisher,and Samaki Walker aren't everlasting compared to that of McHale and Parrish.

I'm done because this has the potential to be debated to the death.

Kobe is a Living Legend.
If Kobe retired today he'd go down as the 2nd Greatest SG Of All-Time.

Ok. Here's a little "thought experiment" for you: Replace Parish and Mchale with Prime Shaq. Bird would have like 8 championchips. I watched Parish and Mchale play. Bird made them great. Who has Kobe made great? Odom?

[Killer_Instinct]

I do not defend lilojmayo, but there was many, many, many people saying that. Before The Finals

I was insuating in this thread, no one typed anything remotley close to that but that moron. It's amazing how one side always points the finger at the other side for saying Kobe>MJ, but even more amazing when no one has said it during the disscussion at hand.

[guy]

Why do you guys continously refuse to put Kobe in the same class as Magic,Bird,Jordan,etc. when what Kobe has done so far in his career including his accomplishments is up there with those past legends.

LOL, not even close. Maybe one day but not now. Kobe has won how many titles as the best player? How many MVPs? You think 3 titles all as a 2nd option is close to 6 titles as the best player? 4 titles as the best player plus 1 more as the 2nd option? 3 titles as the best player? You think 1 MVP is close to 3-5 MVPs? Cause thats what we're talking about when comparing Kobe to Magic, Bird, and Jordan. And lets not forget that right now, Kobe's career has been almost as long as all 3 of those players. Kobe's a legend no doubt, but his accomplishments and overall greatness is not up there with those guys.

[Sir Charles]

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Larry Bird 13 Seasons:[/COLOR]

MPG: 38.4
PPG: 24.3
TFG: 49.6%
FT: 88.6%
3-Point FG%: 37.6%
RPG:10.0
APG: 6.3
SPG: 1.7
BPG: 0.8

Play-Offs:

MPG: 42.0
PPG: 23.8
TFG: 47.2%
RPG: 10.3
APG: 6.5
SPG: 1.8
BPG: 0.9

Seasons PER:

1981-82 NBA 22.6 (8)
1982-83 NBA 24.1 (3)
1983-84 NBA 24.2 (2)
1984-85 NBA 26.5 (1)
1985-86 NBA 25.6 (1)
1986-87 NBA 26.4 (3)
1987-88 NBA 27.8 (2)

All-Time Ran in Season PER

18th (Career 17th)

All Time Rank in Play-Off PER

24th

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[COLOR="Orange"]Kobe Bryant 13 Seasons[/COLOR]

MPG: 36.4
PPG: 25.0
TFG: 45.3%
FT: 83.9%
3-Point FG%: 34.0%
RPG: 5.3
APG: 4.6
SPG: 1.5
BPG: 0.6

Play-Offs:

MPG: 39.1
PPG: 24.3
TFG: 47.2%
3-Point FG%: 32.1%
RPG: 5.0
APG: 4.3
SPG: 1.4
BPG: 0.7

Seasons PER:

2000-01 NBA 24.5 (6)
2001-02 NBA 23.2 (8)
2002-03 NBA 26.2 (5)
2003-04 NBA 23.7 (5)
2004-05 NBA 23.3 (7)
2005-06 NBA 28.0 (3)
2006-07 NBA 26.1 (3)
2007-08 NBA 24.2 (8)
2008-09 NBA 23.6 (10)

All-Time Ran in Season PER

17th

All Time Rank in Play-Off PER

26th

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Career EFF Leaders
Player EFF Seasons

1 Wilt Chamberlain 41.50 14
2 Bill Russell 31.71 13
3 Oscar Robertson 31.61 14
4 Bob Pettit 31.11 11
5 Kareem Abdul-jabbar 30.93 20
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]6 Larry Bird 29.77 13 [/COLOR]
7 Elgin Baylor 29.74 14
8 Michael Jordan 29.19 15
9 Magic Johnson 29.10 13
10 Charles Barkley 28.16 16

11 Jerry Lucas 28.13 11
12 Shaquille O'neal 27.59 16
13 Hakeem Olajuwon 27.17 18
14 Kevin Garnett 27.13 13
15 Jerry West 27.10 14
16 David Robinson 26.98 14
17 Karl Malone 26.94 19
18 Tim Duncan 26.59 11
19 LeBron James 26.46 5
20 Walt Bellamy 26.29 14

21 Dave Cowens 26.23 11
22 Maurice Stokes 25.75 3
23 Bob Lanier 25.29 14
24 Bob McAdoo 24.47 14
25 Elton Brand 24.37 9
26 Dirk Nowitzki 24.25 10
27 Moses Malone 24.14 19
28 Willis Reed 24.06 10
29 Elvin Hayes 24.04 16
30 Rick Barry 23.98 10

31 Nate Thurmond 23.73 14
32 Chris Webber 23.72 15
33 Wes Unseld 23.70 13
34 Shawn Marion 23.52 9
35 Chris Paul 23.51 3
36 Billy Cunningham 23.51 9
37 Patrick Ewing 23.41 17
38 Julius Erving 23.35 11
39 Neil Johnston 23.23 8
40 Brad Daugherty 23.10 8
41 Artis Gilmore 22.99 12
42 Dwyane Wade 22.95 5
43 Amare Stoudemire 22.85 6
44 Walt Frazier 22.74 13
45 Gus Johnson 22.63 9
46 Adrian Dantley 22.60 15
[COLOR="DarkOrange"]47 Kobe Bryant 22.42 12 [/COLOR]
48 Clyde Drexler 22.42 15
49 Dwight Howard 22.26 4
50 Larry Nance 22.14 13

51 Bill Walton 22.13 10
52 Dolph Schayes 22.10 15
53 George Gervin 22.07 10
54 Dan Issel 21.91 9
55 Pau Gasol 21.91 7
56 Yao Ming 21.90 6
57 Jeff Ruland 21.71 8
58 George Mikan 21.58 7
59 Allen Iverson 21.56 12
60 Kevin Johnson 21.56 12

61 Clark Kellogg 21.55 5
62 Bailey Howell 21.53 12
63 Carlos Boozer 21.49 6
64 Paul Pierce 21.45 10
65 Marques Johnson 21.44 11
66 Chris Bosh 21.41 5
67 Dominique Wilkins 21.26 15
68 Paul Arizin 21.26 10
69 Connie Hawkins 21.25 7
70 Vince Carter 21.16 10

71 Tracy McGrady 21.10 11
72 Grant Hill 21.09 13
73 Pete Maravich 20.98 10
74 Jason Kidd 20.95 14
75 Spencer Haywood 20.84 12
76 Jack Sikma 20.83 14
77 John Stockton 20.80 19
78 John Havlicek 20.68 16
79 Kevin McHale 20.44 13
80 Alex English 20.40 15

81 George McGinnis 20.26 7
82 Isiah Thomas 20.22 13
83 Elmore Smith 20.20 8
84 Carmelo Anthony 20.16 5
85 Dave Debusschere 20.14 12
86 Bob Dandridge 20.03 13
87 Lamar Odom 19.94 9
88 Zelmo Beaty 19.92 8
89 Gilbert Arenas 19.91 7
90 Rudy Tomjanovich 19.77 11

91 Alonzo Mourning 19.77 15
92 Sidney Wicks 19.76 10
93 Bill Bridges 19.73 13
94 Happy Hairston 19.65 11
95 Dan Roundfield 19.60 11
96 Bernard King 19.60 14
97 Alex Groza 19.53 2
98 Scottie Pippen 19.50 17
99 Dave Bing 19.33 12
100 Nate Archibald 19.24 13




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Larry Bird always the Best Player in his Team. Bryant is the the Best Player in his Team only since Shaq Left

Larry Bird`s mpact in the league way Superior to Bryant`s from 1982-83 to 1987-88 He was Between the Best and Third Best Player in the Season League and Definetly the Best in the Play-Offs

LARRY LEGEND > Kobe Great Player a Top 5-6 SG of All Time Jordan Wanabee

End

[juju151111]

Ok. Here's a little "thought experiment" for you: Replace Parish and Mchale with Prime Shaq. Bird would have like 8 championchips. I watched Parish and Mchale play. Bird made them great. Who has Kobe made great? Odom?

Bird didn't make mchale great.Thats BS.

[lilojmayo]

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Larry Bird 13 Seasons:[/COLOR]

MPG: 38.4
PPG: 24.3
TFG: 49.6%
FT: 88.6%
3-Point FG%: 37.6%
RPG:10.0
APG: 6.3
SPG: 1.7
BPG: 0.8

Play-Offs:

MPG: 42.0
PPG: 23.8
TFG: 47.2%
RPG: 10.3
APG: 6.5
SPG: 1.8
BPG: 0.9

Seasons PER:

1981-82 NBA 22.6 (8)
1982-83 NBA 24.1 (3)
1983-84 NBA 24.2 (2)
1984-85 NBA 26.5 (1)
1985-86 NBA 25.6 (1)
1986-87 NBA 26.4 (3)
1987-88 NBA 27.8 (2)

All-Time Ran in Season PER

18th (Career 17th)

All Time Rank in Play-Off PER

24th

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[COLOR="Orange"]Kobe Bryant 13 Seasons[/COLOR]

MPG: 36.4
PPG: 25.0
TFG: 45.3%
FT: 83.9%
3-Point FG%: 34.0%
RPG: 5.3
APG: 4.6
SPG: 1.5
BPG: 0.6

Play-Offs:

MPG: 39.1
PPG: 24.3
TFG: 47.2%
3-Point FG%: 32.1%
RPG: 5.0
APG: 4.3
SPG: 1.4
BPG: 0.7

Seasons PER:

2000-01 NBA 24.5 (6)
2001-02 NBA 23.2 (8)
2002-03 NBA 26.2 (5)
2003-04 NBA 23.7 (5)
2004-05 NBA 23.3 (7)
2005-06 NBA 28.0 (3)
2006-07 NBA 26.1 (3)
2007-08 NBA 24.2 (8)
2008-09 NBA 23.6 (10)

All-Time Ran in Season PER

17th

All Time Rank in Play-Off PER

26th

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Career EFF Leaders
Player EFF Seasons

1 Wilt Chamberlain 41.50 14
2 Bill Russell 31.71 13
3 Oscar Robertson 31.61 14
4 Bob Pettit 31.11 11
5 Kareem Abdul-jabbar 30.93 20
[COLOR="DarkGreen"]6 Larry Bird 29.77 13 [/COLOR]
7 Elgin Baylor 29.74 14
8 Michael Jordan 29.19 15
9 Magic Johnson 29.10 13
10 Charles Barkley 28.16 16

11 Jerry Lucas 28.13 11
12 Shaquille O'neal 27.59 16
13 Hakeem Olajuwon 27.17 18
14 Kevin Garnett 27.13 13
15 Jerry West 27.10 14
16 David Robinson 26.98 14
17 Karl Malone 26.94 19
18 Tim Duncan 26.59 11
19 LeBron James 26.46 5
20 Walt Bellamy 26.29 14

21 Dave Cowens 26.23 11
22 Maurice Stokes 25.75 3
23 Bob Lanier 25.29 14
24 Bob McAdoo 24.47 14
25 Elton Brand 24.37 9
26 Dirk Nowitzki 24.25 10
27 Moses Malone 24.14 19
28 Willis Reed 24.06 10
29 Elvin Hayes 24.04 16
30 Rick Barry 23.98 10

31 Nate Thurmond 23.73 14
32 Chris Webber 23.72 15
33 Wes Unseld 23.70 13
34 Shawn Marion 23.52 9
35 Chris Paul 23.51 3
36 Billy Cunningham 23.51 9
37 Patrick Ewing 23.41 17
38 Julius Erving 23.35 11
39 Neil Johnston 23.23 8
40 Brad Daugherty 23.10 8
41 Artis Gilmore 22.99 12
42 Dwyane Wade 22.95 5
43 Amare Stoudemire 22.85 6
44 Walt Frazier 22.74 13
45 Gus Johnson 22.63 9
46 Adrian Dantley 22.60 15
[COLOR="DarkOrange"]47 Kobe Bryant 22.42 12 [/COLOR]
48 Clyde Drexler 22.42 15
49 Dwight Howard 22.26 4
50 Larry Nance 22.14 13

51 Bill Walton 22.13 10
52 Dolph Schayes 22.10 15
53 George Gervin 22.07 10
54 Dan Issel 21.91 9
55 Pau Gasol 21.91 7
56 Yao Ming 21.90 6
57 Jeff Ruland 21.71 8
58 George Mikan 21.58 7
59 Allen Iverson 21.56 12
60 Kevin Johnson 21.56 12

61 Clark Kellogg 21.55 5
62 Bailey Howell 21.53 12
63 Carlos Boozer 21.49 6
64 Paul Pierce 21.45 10
65 Marques Johnson 21.44 11
66 Chris Bosh 21.41 5
67 Dominique Wilkins 21.26 15
68 Paul Arizin 21.26 10
69 Connie Hawkins 21.25 7
70 Vince Carter 21.16 10

71 Tracy McGrady 21.10 11
72 Grant Hill 21.09 13
73 Pete Maravich 20.98 10
74 Jason Kidd 20.95 14
75 Spencer Haywood 20.84 12
76 Jack Sikma 20.83 14
77 John Stockton 20.80 19
78 John Havlicek 20.68 16
79 Kevin McHale 20.44 13
80 Alex English 20.40 15

81 George McGinnis 20.26 7
82 Isiah Thomas 20.22 13
83 Elmore Smith 20.20 8
84 Carmelo Anthony 20.16 5
85 Dave Debusschere 20.14 12
86 Bob Dandridge 20.03 13
87 Lamar Odom 19.94 9
88 Zelmo Beaty 19.92 8
89 Gilbert Arenas 19.91 7
90 Rudy Tomjanovich 19.77 11

91 Alonzo Mourning 19.77 15
92 Sidney Wicks 19.76 10
93 Bill Bridges 19.73 13
94 Happy Hairston 19.65 11
95 Dan Roundfield 19.60 11
96 Bernard King 19.60 14
97 Alex Groza 19.53 2
98 Scottie Pippen 19.50 17
99 Dave Bing 19.33 12
100 Nate Archibald 19.24 13




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Larry Bird always the Best Player in his Team. Bryant is the the Best Player in his Team only since Shaq Left

Larry Bird`s mpact in the league way Superior to Bryant`s from 1982-83 to 1987-88 He was Between the Best and Third Best Player in the Season League and Definetly the Best in the Play-Offs

LARRY LEGEND > Kobe Great Player a Top 5-6 SG of All Time Jordan Wanabee

End

we were all anticipating your comment Sir Charles and you didnt disappoint

[Rolando]

Bird didn't make mchale great.Thats BS.

I figured that someone would call me out on that. I can't prove it....so there ya go. It's just my impression from watching them play. I saw Parish and Mchale as "reliable".

[Loki]

So Kobe isn't going to be mentioned as a Legend after hes done playing.

Why do you guys continously refuse to put Kobe in the same class as Magic,Bird,Jordan,etc. when what Kobe has done so far in his career including his accomplishments is up there with those past legends.

What has Kobe done that is "up there" with Magic/Bird/Jordan?

[catquickspider]

as an individual player I take kobe
but larry as a better team player

you can't forget that larry's teams were always stacked