Marreese Speights will be the best big man to come from the '08 draft class

[GOBB]

well... usually a center that was playing top 10 at their position their rookie season usually ends up having a better career than some guy off the bench

You lost me.

[Bigsmoke]

You lost me.

u said

I dont even care to show if he is or isnt a top 10 center. What I do want to get across is carrying a top 10 center label in todays game is weak. Thats a fact. How? The league isnt deep at such a position. The quality simply isnt there to brag about "top 10". At one point in his lame career you could argue Sammy was a top 10 Center. Its meaningless. There is a cutoff and a drastic drop. I mean the fact guys like Bynum and Oden can be percieved as top Centers in the NBA support my argument. 2 guys who really have proven or established themselves and whose careers are still based on "potential" being among the top centers in the NBA. Come on.

i said... guys with alot of talent early like Lopez usually end up with the more succuessful careers than someone who's not really catching anyones attention other than fans and family

[GOBB]

u said



i said... guys with alot of talent early like Lopez usually end up with the more succuessful careers than someone who's not really catching anyones attention

Whats your point

[Bigsmoke]

Whats your point

Lopez > Speights

Lopez = future of Big men in the game

[Styles p]

http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=4911
well seems like stefanski feels the same way we do about our young guys.

[NuggetsFan]

The only Centers I would take over Brook are:
Dwight
Jefferson (though more of a PF)

Too close to call because of injuries vs. potential:
Oden
Bynum

Otherwise:
Shaq - too old
Yao - who knows when he will play again
Horford - too short, more of a PF
Bogut - too many injuries and unfulfilled promise
Barganani - no rebounding or shotblocking, more of a SF/PF on offense
Okafor - very underwhelming career with no team success so far
Kaman - injury plagued, tapped out potential?
Nene - injury plagued, much older
Biedrins - excellent role player, little potential for more
Perkins - excellent role player, little potential for more
Hawes - no
M.Gasol - nice player but not as much potential

That's not to say many of those centers couldn't have better seasons, but given the fact Lopez is a 21 y/o, 2nd year player I would expect that.

However, overall I think my ranking says more about the decline of the Center position in the NBA, than it does Brook's true talent.



Otherwise.. I really like Speights as well, and would love to have him at PF to compliment Brook.

For the future .. but If you were looking for contend for a title next year that list would look different.

[Bigsmoke]

The only Centers I would take over Brook are:
Dwight
Jefferson (though more of a PF)

Too close to call because of injuries vs. potential:
Oden
Bynum

Otherwise:
Shaq - too old
Yao - who knows when he will play again
Horford - too short, more of a PF
Bogut - too many injuries and unfulfilled promise
Barganani - no rebounding or shotblocking, more of a SF/PF on offense
Okafor - very underwhelming career with no team success so far
Kaman - injury plagued, tapped out potential?
Nene - injury plagued, much older
Biedrins - excellent role player, little potential for more
Perkins - excellent role player, little potential for more
Hawes - no
M.Gasol - nice player but not as much potential

That's not to say many of those centers couldn't have better seasons, but given the fact Lopez is a 21 y/o, 2nd year player I would expect that.

However, overall I think my ranking says more about the decline of the Center position in the NBA, than it does Brook's true talent.



Otherwise.. I really like Speights as well, and would love to have him at PF to compliment Brook.

[Dresta]

Kaman? Okafor? Yao, who's injured and his career is in jeopardy?

You do realize Lopez just turned 21 in April, right?

He said that Lopez wasa top 10 center, so i just listed 10 centers that i currently consider to be better, i also forgot a couple others. But i wasn't discussing future or potential or anything like that. Try reading posts in the context they're given next time.

[GOBB]

42min 23pts 14rbs for Brook Lopez
30mins 19pts 9rbs for Speights

[BankShot]

42min 23pts 14rbs for Brook Lopez
30mins 19pts 9rbs for Speights

Lopez: 0.548 points per minute, 0.333 rebounds per minute

Speights: 0.633 points per minute, 0.300 rebounds per minute

[GOBB]

Lopez: 0.548 points per minute, 0.333 rebounds per minute

Speights: 0.633 points per minute, 0.300 rebounds per minute

[BankShot]

I'm just breaking it down, so that their production can be compared regardless of their difference in playing time.

Initally, it seems as though Lopez far outplayed Speights, but when taking playing time into account its actually quite different.

[Showtime]

Lopez: 18 PPG, 7.7 REB, 1.7 AST, 2.3 BLK, 3.1 TOV

JT: 13.4 PPG, 10 REB, 3 AST, 1.3 BLK, 1 TOV

Speights: 14.4 PPG, 7 REB, 1 AST, 1 BLK, 1 TOV

Seems like Lopez and Thompson are as good or better than Speights produciton wise.

[wang4three]

Speights really impressed me tonight. His offensive game is just so smooth and I love that "always be getting mine" mentality he has. He's vicious on the offensive end.

[Styles p]

Lopez: 18 PPG, 7.7 REB, 1.7 AST, 2.3 BLK, 3.1 TOV

JT: 13.4 PPG, 10 REB, 3 AST, 1.3 BLK, 1 TOV

Speights: 14.4 PPG, 7 REB, 1 AST, 1 BLK, 1 TOV

Seems like Lopez and Thompson are as good or better than Speights produciton wise.

speights is #3 in the league in fg%