Was 2013 a carry job?

[1987_Lakers]

'13 postseason
Wade: 16/5/5 on 57 TS%
Bosh: 12/7 on 59 TS%

'13 ECF (Series went 7 games)
Wade: 15/5/4 on 50 TS%
Bosh: 11/4 on 50 TS%

'13 Finals
Wade - 20/4/5 on 51 TS%
Bosh - 12/9 on 49 TS%

From what I remember, that Miami team dominated everyone in the regular season when they were healthy, they also had very good role players too who fit. But once the playoffs hit they obviously weren't the same team, mostly due to Wade playing hurt. I have a vivid memory of LeBron carrying Miami during the Indiana series, it seemed like every game in that series Bron's supporting cast was laying a fat egg while he had to bail them out, although Wade did step up in the Finals, finished off with a nice game 7.

[3ba11]

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2013 Finals


* Lebron averaged 16 on 39% for the first 3 games of the Finals, while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit.

* His 23 on 43% was insufficient through 6 games and needed Ray Allen to save him

* Lebron had a zero plus/minus and negative net rating for the series, so the Heat didn't win with him on the floor

* Lebron averaged 25 on 45% for the series, while Wade got 20 on 47%, so Lebron didn't carry the scoring load and therefore never beat maximum defensive attention in his Finals career (never beat max defensive attention on the highest level and never carried bed-wetting teammates over any top 5 SRS opponent).

The 3-star Heat didn't need an extra 2 stars to beat their 1-star opponents in the East, so it's no surprise that Wade didn't produce much in the Eastern Playoffs.

But Lebron never beat top 5 SRS teams or Finals teams with bed-wetting teammates, so Wade was near-equal scoring partner in the Finals.. Equal scoring partners attract equal defensive attention, so Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention in the Finals and never beat top 5 SRS teams with bed-wetting teammates.

[1987_Lakers]

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[Indent]2013 Finals


* Lebron averaged 16 on 39% for the first 3 games of the Finals, while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit.

I see, sort of how teammates staved off a 0-3 deficit vs Knicks in '93 while MJ was shooting 3 of 18.

[3ba11]

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FIRST 3 GAMES

Lebron 13' Finals..... 16.7 on 44.1 ts.. 16.2 gmsc.. 26.1 usage.. 100 ortg
Jordan 93' ECF......... 28.7 on 45.8 ts.. 19.6 gmsc.. 40.1 usage.. 103 ortg

I see, sort of how teammates staved off a 0-3 deficit vs Knicks in '93 while MJ was shooting 3 of 18.

Lebron didn't have a carry-job in 2013 because he was horrible in the Finals, while having a near-equal scoring partner and being a net negative for the series (Heat didn't win with him on the floor)

Otoh, MJ always carried the Bulls in every series ..

MJ was shooting 3 of 18.

MJ carried the Bulls in those 3 games like he always did

JORDAN.... 28 and 6 apg.. 2.0 tov.. 40.1 usage
PIPPEN'..... 23 and 4 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 29.5 usage

In Game 3, Jordan dominated the only competitive stretch in the 1st quarter (8 points and 6 assists) while Pippen wet the bed (6 and 0).. Everything else was garbage time after that.

[GrayGoat]

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FIRST 3 GAMES

Lebron 13' Finals..... 16.7 on 44.1 ts.. 16.2 gmsc.. 26.1 usage... 100 ortg
Jordan 93' ECF......... 28.7 on 45.8 ts.. 19.6 gmsc.. 40.1 usage.. 103 ortg





Lebron didn't have a carry-job in 2013 because he was horrible in the Finals, while having a near-equal scoring partner and being a net negative for the series (Heat didn't win with him on the floor)

Otoh, MJ always carried the Bulls in every series ..






MJ carried the Bulls in those 3 games like he always did

JORDAN.... 28 and 6 apg.. 2.0 tov.. 40.1 usage
PIPPEN'..... 23 and 4 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 29.5 usage

In Game 3, Jordan dominated the only competitive stretch in the 1st quarter (8 points and 6 assists) while Pippen wet the bed (6 and 0).. Everything else was garbage time after that.

MJ couldn’t carry like LeKing

[3ba11]

MJ couldn’t carry like LeKing

Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention on the highest level because he never carried the scoring load while winning a Finals.

He also never carried bed-wetting teammates over a top 5 SRS opponent - so that's zero carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing

[1987_Lakers]

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FIRST 3 GAMES

Lebron 13' Finals..... 16.7 on 44.1 ts.. 16.2 gmsc.. 26.1 usage.. 100 ortg
Jordan 93' ECF......... 28.7 on 45.8 ts.. 19.6 gmsc.. 40.1 usage.. 103 ortg





Lebron didn't have a carry-job in 2013 because he was horrible in the Finals, while having a near-equal scoring partner and being a net negative for the series (Heat didn't win with him on the floor)

Otoh, MJ always carried the Bulls in every series ..






MJ carried the Bulls in those 3 games like he always did

JORDAN.... 28 and 6 apg.. 2.0 tov.. 40.1 usage
PIPPEN'..... 23 and 4 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 29.5 usage

In Game 3, Jordan dominated the only competitive stretch in the 1st quarter (8 points and 6 assists) while Pippen wet the bed (6 and 0).. Everything else was garbage time after that.

MJ in those first 3 games... 10 of 27, 12 of 32, 3 of 18 shooting.

My goodness.

Not to mention LeBron dominated the remaining of the Finals, including scoring 16 points in the 4th/OT in game 6 when facing elimination and a 37 point game in game 7.

MJ in game 6 vs Knicks: 8 of 24 shooting. Outplayed by Pippen. It was Pippen who stepped up in the 2nd half and hit the big shot to put the Knicks away for good.

[3ba11]

MJ in those first 3 games... 10 of 27, 12 of 32, 3 of 18 shooting.

My goodness.

Not to mention LeBron dominated the remaining of the Finals, including scoring 16 points in the 4th/OT in game 6 when facing elimination and a 37 point game in game 7.

MJ in game 6 vs Knicks: 8 of 24 shooting. Outplayed by Pippen. It was Pippen who stepped up in the 2nd half and hit the big shot to put the Knicks away for good.

FIRST 3 GAMES

Lebron 13' Finals..... 16.7 on 44.1 ts.. 16.2 gmsc.. 26.1 usage.. 100 ortg
Jordan 93' ECF......... 28.7 on 45.8 ts.. 19.6 gmsc.. 40.1 usage.. 103 ortg


The numbers speak for themselves

Lebron was outscored and out-produced in many series by teammates and even entire playoff runs (11', 20'), whereas Jordan carried his team in every series of his career - Pippen basically never got within 10 ppg of Jordan in any series, so Jordan always defeated maximum defensive attention, while Lebron never did in the Finals.

[SouBeachTalents]

FIRST 3 GAMES

Lebron 13' Finals..... 16.7 on 44.1 ts.. 16.2 gmsc.. 26.1 usage.. 100 ortg
Jordan 93' ECF......... 28.7 on 45.8 ts.. 19.6 gmsc.. 40.1 usage.. 103 ortg


The numbers speak for themselves

Lebron was outscored and out-produced in many series by teammates and even entire playoff runs (11', 20'), whereas Jordan carried his team in every series of his career - Pippen basically never got within 10 ppg of Jordan in any series

Kobe was significantly more times.

[1987_Lakers]

FIRST 3 GAMES

Lebron 13' Finals..... 16.7 on 44.1 ts.. 16.2 gmsc.. 26.1 usage.. 100 ortg
Jordan 93' ECF......... 28.7 on 45.8 ts.. 19.6 gmsc.. 40.1 usage.. 103 ortg


The numbers speak for themselves

Lebron was outscored and out-produced in many series by teammates and even entire playoff runs (11', 20'), whereas Jordan carried his team in every series of his career - Pippen basically never got within 10 ppg of Jordan in any series, so Jordan always defeated maximum defensive attention, while Lebron never did in the Finals.

[RRR3]

Snivelly getting brutally beat down yet again. How can the poor guy keep this up?

[3ba11]

Jordan carried Pippen in the 93' ECF


Jordan..... 32.2.. 6.0.. 7.0.. 2.5.. 1.0.. 2.2 tov.. 38.5 usage.. 113 ortg.. 24.4 gmsc
Pippen..... 22.5.. 6.7.. 4.0.. 1.8.. 0.5.. 4.0 tov.. 28.5 usage.. 103 ortg.. 15.6 gmsc

[RRR3]

Snivelly how come you’re too terrified to defend your GOAT Kobe in this thread? http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ccomplishments

[3ba11]

Snivelly how come you’re too terrified to defend your GOAT Kobe in this thread? http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ccomplishments

I've always said that I'm 99% sure MJ is goat.

That 1% is for Kobe

He fit into any era or COUNTRY for that matter - possibly the best player if we put each guy in every era and measured their performance - he fit ANY era

[MadDog]

I've always said that I'm 99% sure MJ is goat.

That 1% is for Kobe

He fit into any era or COUNTRY for that matter - possibly the best player if we put each guy in every era and measured their performance - he fit ANY era