Michael Jordan taught Scottie Pippen how to play like him

[daily]

Also notice how agenda boy has no response to this one^^^

I'll brb...

Bad seasons happen. Kobe was injured, Lamar was injured, Brian Grant was injured the Coach fell off the wagon, Brian Cook played too many games.
Get over it, Laker fans have.

[chitownsfinest]

Dude.... Pip wasn't mentally strong.

He showed promise from time to time, but he wasn't prepared yet.

Sure the same can be said about any young player, but MJ helped what could've been a solid defender, to who some consider the GOAT perimeter defender.

Don't you think playing against MJ in practice makes him better?

But MJ's impact wasn't solely on defense.

He helped his overall game but more importantly, the mental aspects of the game.

And as we've all seen, that may be as important if not more than skill (of course it varies depending on skill level).

He showed him discipline, and having a professional approach to the game. Showed him how to not settle with just being good, but great, not just great but legendary.

He took him under his wing and that's why MJ often refers to him as "my little brother."

Yeah man I stated in my original post that you responded to that Jordan's did help increase Pip's toughness. Him going at Pip constantly in practices and challenging Pip in games made Pip more mentally tough . I was merely stating, however, that Jordan is not fully responsible for Pip becoming a great player and that Pip had b-ball skills/strong athleticism from day 1. He would have become a really strong player non-the-less.

[Roundball_Rock]

The irony is lost on Blitz. Shaq leaves and his team regresses by 22 games; the "clear GOAT" retires and his team regresses by 2 games?

Him going at Pip constantly in practices and challenging Pip in games made Pip more mentally tough

So did punching Steve Kerr in practice. I don't see Kerr heading to the HOF.

Pippen was a top 5 draft pick out of a small school. That does not happen unless you have a lot of talent. The myth makers act as if he was the last pick in the second round.

[Bush4Ever]

Why was MJ's team playing the #1 seed in the first round anyway? Why didn't MJ elevate his team like all the other all-time greats I mentioned did? If MJ could do that he wouldn't have to face Bird/McHale/Parish in the first round.

Simple.

Because the talent on the early bulls team relative to the league was extremely low.

You cited Larry Bird's turnaround in a previous post. However, Bird wasn't the only cause.

1. They got rid of malcontent Bob Macadoo.
2. They picked up a real coach in Bill Fitch, which ushered in a whole new attitude (if you don't know the Sidney Wicks story, it's a good one...google it)
3. They picked up a real coach, which allowed Dave Cowens to get back to full time playing duties
4. They picked up ML Carr, who at the time was an extremely good defensive player (led the league in steals).
5. They had a newly healthy Nate Archibald, who played a good chunk of the 1979 year injured.

There are more things going on than simply adding a player (usually).



By the way, in 1986 MJ only played like 20 games.

[Bush4Ever]

The irony is lost on Blitz. Shaq leaves and his team regresses by 22 games; the "clear GOAT" retires and his team regresses by 2 games?

And 3 playoff series.

It is a noted fact that the Bulls coasted through the 1993 regular season in an effort to save energy for the playoffs (they didn't have HCA in the Finals), and the 1994 Bulls were extra motivated to win games to show "they could do it without MJ".

[juju151111]

Shaq is top 10 all-time. What is your point? If you look at all the top 10 players their teams almost always do a lot worse when they leave. The big exceptions are Kareem leaving the Bucks...and...M...Jayyyyy....



That is a list of selected players. MJ improved his team by 11 games. That is not the 11th best improvement. It may not even be among the top 50 all-time.

MJ all-time? GOAT--but his greatness was more individual in nature than in the Magic Johnson sense of improving those around you. Magic's team went from losing in the second round to the NBA finals with him. When he retired they went from 58 wins and the NBA finals to 43 wins and losing in the first round.

??? I thought Magic was on a team with Kareem which dropped 30 almost every gm in that playoffs.Also don't forget kareem was taking large ****s on the 76ers until the last gm he was injured. Mj came in playing with a HOF top 10 player of all-time??? Magic did

Why do you guys never compare the 94 bulls to the 92 bulls?? You know the bulls when Mj wasn't nursing a injured wrist and bth there star players came from playing in the summer for the first time in how many years. oh yea you have a agenda. What happen to this so called better winner then MJ(PIp) in the 90 ECF??1-10 What happen in 92 when xman pushed him around in his 5th year?/ oh right it doesn't matter because he was playing with Mj He new M would carry the team, but wait Mj can't carry anyone to playoffs wins. I am so confused here.Put a 7th year Mj on 94 bulls they win more gms.

[Da_Realist]

Yeah, against the best team ever (with the best defense that year) with basically no support. Big whoop.

And really, when one is putting up 44 a game, getting to the line at will, shooting 50+ percent from the floor, and playing on a team with minimal offensive talent....why would you not shoot a lot?

I've seen those games. Jordan shooting 30+ times a game was in the best interest of his team at the time.

Oddly enough he still tacked on 6+ assists per game.

Yes, because the level of talent on Pippen's team, Pippen's role, and the level of talent FACED in the playoffs is directly comparable to MJ's.

Oh wait...they aren't even close.

I also like how the anti-MJ forces like to say "without Pippen" so they can exclude the 1988 and 1989 seasons, despite minimal influence by Pippen.

Lame.

Simple.

Because the talent on the early bulls team relative to the league was extremely low.

You cited Larry Bird's turnaround in a previous post. However, Bird wasn't the only cause.

1. They got rid of malcontent Bob Macadoo.
2. They picked up a real coach in Bill Fitch, which ushered in a whole new attitude (if you don't know the Sidney Wicks story, it's a good one...google it)
3. They picked up a real coach, which allowed Dave Cowens to get back to full time playing duties
4. They picked up ML Carr, who at the time was an extremely good defensive player (led the league in steals).
5. They had a newly healthy Nate Archibald, who played a good chunk of the 1979 year injured.

There are more things going on than simply adding a player (usually).



By the way, in 1986 MJ only played like 20 games.

And 3 playoff series.

It is a noted fact that the Bulls coasted through the 1993 regular season in an effort to save energy for the playoffs (they didn't have HCA in the Finals), and the 1994 Bulls were extra motivated to win games to show "they could do it without MJ".

Just stop... You're making too much sense. It's obvious that people are tired of talking about MJ and want to pull out anything they can find to discredit him. You're not helping the cause.

Just let them state their facts, dismiss the context and change people's opinions.

[juju151111]

The irony is lost on Blitz. Shaq leaves and his team regresses by 22 games; the "clear GOAT" retires and his team regresses by 2 games?



So did punching Steve Kerr in practice. I don't see Kerr heading to the HOF.

Pippen was a top 5 draft pick out of a small school. That does not happen unless you have a lot of talent. The myth makers act as if he was the last pick in the second round.

Pip had the potential you idiot. Mj helped him improved which you could clearly see when he did his fakes and other moves. Nobody is saying MJ Made pippen everything he is, but he helped him progress and max out his potential.

[Roundball_Rock]

Because the talent on the early bulls team relative to the league was extremely low.

You cited Larry Bird's turnaround in a previous post. However, Bird wasn't the only cause.

Sure but look at the list. MJ added the least to his team of all those players. How can this be? You are telling me the "clear GOAT" is only worth 11 more wins over 82 games?

Here are some more impacts by players.

Grant Hill: +8 (similar to MJ's...he missed 12 games btw)
Dominique: +1
Drexler: +2
Barkley: +6
Iverson: +4
K. Malone: +1

So MJ had roughly as much or slightly more impact than these lower tier players. However, his first year impact pales compared to that of the all-time top 10 level players (Lebron isn't in that group at this point but his first year impact matched the impact of others in that group).

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

poor Pippen.
you would think that MJ played defense FOR Pippen.
you would think that MJ shot Pippen's 3s FOR him.

please, for the love of God, give Pippen his due props as one of the greatest SFs of all time.

[Roundball_Rock]

And 3 playoff series.

It is a noted fact that the Bulls coasted through the 1993 regular season in an effort to save energy for the playoffs (they didn't have HCA in the Finals), and the 1994 Bulls were extra motivated to win games to show "they could do it without MJ".

Coasted their way to giving the Knicks home court by three games?

Why cherry pick the 92' Bulls? The 92' Bulls were the same group as the 91' Bulls. They won 61 games in 1991, 67 in 1992, 57 in 1993, and 55 in 1994. So the 1994 Bulls won six less games than the 1991 Bulls and that was with their best player out for ten games. With him they were on pace for 58 wins and the #1 seed over 82 games--which would have put game 7 of the ECSF in Chicago, not New York and would have rendered Hue Hollin's horrendous call a mere footnote.

ou know the bulls when Mj wasn't nursing a injured wrist and bth there star players came from playing in the summer for the first time in how many years.

Kobe and Gasol played in the finals and the Olympics last summer. Their team improved by 8 games. Lame excuse!

but he helped him progress and max out his potential

Neato! Jordan's Bobcats can't even make the playoffs in the pathetic Eastern conference. Why doesn't MJ step down from his office, go to the gym with his players and make them great? He played with a grand total of one all-star in his entire career...

[bruceblitz]

Sure but look at the list. MJ added the least to his team of all those players. How can this be? You are telling me the "clear GOAT" is only worth 11 more wins over 82 games?

Here are some more impacts by players.

Grant Hill: +8 (similar to MJ's...he missed 12 games btw)
Dominique: +1
Drexler: +2
Barkley: +6
Iverson: +4
K. Malone: +1

So MJ had roughly as much or slightly more impact than these lower tier players. However, his first year impact pales compared to that of the all-time top 10 level players (Lebron isn't in that group at this point but his first year impact matched the impact of others in that group).

1995 = BULLS were struggling to stay over .500 in the 94-95 season, and when Jordan came back to the Bulls we won 76% of the rest of the games in the regular season, won 72 games the following year.

To simplify for the idiot, 94-95 Bulls were a 500 team, Jordan comes back and they win 76% of their games with him. What a "small" impact.

The first full year Jordan comes back, the Bulls win 72 games, no impact

By the way, I'm eating 2 of these right now:

[chitownsfinest]

Were those stats all of a sudden the reason for Mike winning his first playoff series? If I remember, Mike had to score 50 twice in that first round series just for the Bulls to win. You claim that Mike never won his first series until Pip came in but it is obvious he was the not the ONLY reason they won one in 88 and went deep in 89. Now going to the 89 run, Jordan did take a 47 win squad past two 50 win opponents and took the 89 world champion Pistons to 6 games. Pip averaged about 13 ppg in those playoffs. MJ averaged 35/7/7 during that playoff run. Was Pip the only reason for this as well?
Also I used the season stats because you claim MJ never had a winning season until Pip came in. However, was Pip's 10 ppg all of a sudden the season for the Bulls winning 50 games? I think MJ becoming a more efficient scorer and better team player were better reasons.

I posted this in the other thread (which you haven't responded to yet hmm.. I wonder?) in your usual bullsh*t of MJ never winning crap until Pip came in. What do you have to say about this?

[juju151111]

Sure but look at the list. MJ added the least to his team of all those players. How can this be? You are telling me the "clear GOAT" is only worth 11 more wins over 82 games?

Here are some more impacts by players.

Grant Hill: +8 (similar to MJ's...he missed 12 games btw)
Dominique: +1
Drexler: +2
Barkley: +6
Iverson: +4
K. Malone: +1

So MJ had roughly as much or slightly more impact than these lower tier players. However, his first year impact pales compared to that of the all-time top 10 level players (Lebron isn't in that group at this point but his first year impact matched the impact of others in that group).

Does that stat take into account teammates or injury of teamates?? If not GTFO

[KenneBell]

poor Pippen.
you would think that MJ played defense FOR Pippen.
you would think that MJ shot Pippen's 3s FOR him.

please, for the love of God, give Pippen his due props as one of the greatest SFs of all time.