Kobe Bryant is now officially a top 10 player of all time!

[Mikaiel]

If you paid attention to Gortat these playoffs then you would realize he really is a great defender, better than Howard 1 v 1. When Howard would sit and Gortat came in the defense of the Magic didn't drop at all except for shot blocking. Just cus someone doesn't have a big name and no one talks about him doesn't mean he isn't a great defender. Not saying I agree he is 3rd best in the NBA but I do think people need to stop riding the hype train that superstars get.

And he's great at drawing the charge I love big men who can do that. Like him, Varejao or Leon Powe.

[Cyclone112]

Not saying I agree he is 3rd best in the NBA but I do think people need to stop riding the hype train that superstars get.

He's still not top 3

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[D-Rose]

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Just showing where the stats fail.

[32jazz]

Isiah? definitely NOT.
Moses and Dr. J are also very questionable. Jerry West puts Kobe in top 6 all-time and a survey of NBA pundits put Kobe as the #2 SG all-time, in front of West.

Jerry West was honest/humble & admitted Kobe was better than him years ago , but for some reason others get attacked for suggesting it.


Some say that this win puts him over West all time when he was already there. Mike Wilbon(PTI) is one of few mainstream media member(6/15 & a week ago) to point out the fact that West was 1-8 in NBA Finals & pointed out how anyone else would be crucified with that record.

West was the third option on his only Championship team(shot dreadful 32% FG) , but Kobe has to win four Rings & a Finals MVP to surpass him? People & their foolish nostalgia.

[D-Rose]

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/pl...hmad_Kobe.nba/

Ahmad and Kobe have a mini interview then Ahmad talks with Kenny and Charles about Kobe being ranked...
Ahmad says he's Top 10, Kenny gives some names and says he's top 10, I'm surprise Kenny didn't put Hakeem ahead of Kobe...He said "Hakeem was not as dominant of a player as Kobe"....that's coming from a guy that won with Hakeem..

Barkley says he isn't Top 10 (So that's where Sir Charles gets his opinion!).

[1987_Lakers]

I absolutely agree. Now that Kobe has won his fourth championship and evolved as a player, I think he definitely surpassed Jerry West. I think the #10 spot is the proper place for him right now.

In my opinion, he already surpassed West on the list of all time shooting guards (Jordan, Kobe, West).

West wanted to say that Lebron surpassed Kobe, well to me it looks like Kobe has surpassed him. LOL!

[Roundball_Rock]

Ha HaHa!!....I am a fan of Sir Charles not his Teams

I am not biased like you saying that Rings = Greatness

Rings = Team Greatness, being on the Best Teams...

[COLOR="Blue"]Even the Detroit Pistons won a Championship without a Dominant Player because they had THEE DEEPEST TEAM in the NBA and BEST DEFENSIVE TEAM in the NBA both PERIMETER AND INTERIORLY:

Look at this ...

Bill Laimbeer: Monster Defender and Top Rebounder
Rodman: Monster Defender and Topest of Rebounders
Isiah: Good Defender and Scorer, One of THe Greatest Game Creators and Passers...
Dumars: Monster Perimeter Defender on the 1 on 1, Good Passer and Good Shooter
Mahorn: Good Defender and Good Rebounder
Salley Great Defender
Aguirre: Great Shooter and Scorer and Good Passer[/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Now You Wan`t to See Greatness of a Player Doing It All With Scrubs?[/COLOR]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../NBA_2009.html

Player Efficiency Rating

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]1. LeBron James-CLE 37.4 [/COLOR]

( BY FAR AND BAR NONE, "THEE BEST BASKETBALL PLAYER IN THE WORLD!" )

[COLOR="darkslategray"]2. Tony Parker-SAS 29.3[/COLOR] (Great Player a Top Guard in the NBA)
[COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]3. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 28.3[/COLOR] (When Will This GUy Stop Being Underrated? Zero Help!)
[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]4. Tim Duncan-SAS 27.3[/COLOR] (Best FC in the NBA, [COLOR="Orange"]2nd Pau Gasol)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="orange"]5. Kobe Bryant-LAL 26.8 [/COLOR] (Great Player, Best SG along Wade)

*Wade = Zero Help!

Defensive Rating

[COLOR="Blue"]1. Dwight Howard-ORL 98.4 (Best Defender in the NBA!!!!)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]2. LeBron James-CLE 99.6 [/COLOR] (2nd Best Defender in the NBA!!!)

3. Marcin Gortat-ORL 99.7
4. Chuck Hayes-HOU 99.8
5. Anderson Varejao-CLE 100.1

Offensive Win Shares

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]1. LeBron James-CLE 3.6 [/COLOR] (Any Other Cav Helping In the Offensive Edge? NONE!)
[COLOR="Orange"]2. Kobe Bryant-LAL 3.3 [/COLOR] (Shares his Offense with Gasol-Odom)
3. Chauncey Billups-DEN 2.9 (Shares his with Anthony)
[COLOR="Orange"]4. Pau Gasol-LAL 2.7 [/COLOR] (Shares his Offense with Bryant-Odom)
[COLOR="Blue"]5. Dwight Howard-ORL 2.6[/COLOR] (Best Center in the NBA, Got Some Offensive Help with Hedo and Lewis)

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]*Who Does Lebron Share his Wins With? NOBODY![/COLOR]

[COLOR="Orange"]*Kobe Bryant Share`s His with a Top 10 Player Active Player in the NBA, Pau Gasol!!![/COLOR]

Defensive Win Shares

[COLOR="Blue"]1. Dwight Howard-ORL 2.0 (Atleat he has a Top Defender in his Team, Rashard Lewis)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Orange"]2. Pau Gasol-LAL 1.7 [/COLOR] (Shared with Bryant-Odom)
[COLOR="Orange"]3. Kobe Bryant-LAL 1.4 [/COLOR] (Shared with Gasol-Odom)
[COLOR="orange"]4. Lamar Odom-LAL 1.3 [/COLOR] (Shared with Gasol and Bryant)
[COLOR="Blue"]5. Rashard Lewis-ORL (Got Some Help for Howard, Reason why he wen`t to the Finals!!!)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Orange"]*What a Combination of Defenders in the Lakers!!!:

THE REAL BIG 3 as a I Keep Saying plus the 2nd or 1st SG in the League!!![/COLOR]

*Way To Have It Easy in The Defensive Side!!!

Win Shares

[COLOR="Orange"]1. Kobe Bryant-LAL 4.8 [/COLOR] (Shared With Gasol-Odom)

[COLOR="Blue"]2. LeBron James-CLE 4.7 [/COLOR] (Shared with Nobdy!!! )

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]3. Dwight Howard-ORL 4.6 [/COLOR] (Atleast Got Lewis and Hedo + Great Defender Pietrius)

[COLOR="orange"]4. Pau Gasol-LAL 4.4 [/COLOR] (Shared With Bryant-Odom)

[COLOR="Navy"]5. Chauncey Billups-DEN 3.3 [/COLOR] (Got Anthony Help and a Great Defensive Team)


Steals

[COLOR="orange"]1. Kobe Bryant-LAL 38[/COLOR](Alot of Team Defensive Help in The Perimeter with Ariza!)
[COLOR="orange"]2. Trevor Ariza-LAL 36[/COLOR] (Alot of Team Defensive Help in the Perimeter with Bryant)
3. Rajon Rondo-BOS 35
4. Rafer Alston-ORL 33
5. Carmelo Anthony-DEN 28

[COLOR="Orange"]*2 Great Team Defenders in One Team!!![/COLOR]

Points Per Game

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]1. LeBron James-CLE 35.3 [/COLOR](Zero Help in his Team!!!, Zero!!!. At 51.% FG!, Amazing Scorer!

[COLOR="Orange"]2. Kobe Bryant-LAL 30.2 (Alot of Help In All Ways Possible at 46,7% FG Great Scorer!) [/COLOR]
3. Dwyane Wade-MIA 29.1 (Zero Help In his Team!!!, Zero!!!!, at 43,9% FG)
[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]4. Tony Parker-SAS 28.6 [/COLOR]
[COLOR="Navy"]5. Carmelo Anthony-DEN 27.2 (Props but he has Alot of Defensive and Offensive Help)[/COLOR]

Assist Pct

1. Chris Paul-NOH 60.2 (Point Guard)
[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]2. Tony Parker-SAS 46.6 (Point Guard)[/COLOR]
3. Deron Williams-UTA 43.3 (Point Guard)
4. Rajon Rondo-BOS 40.9 (Poinmt Guard)
[COLOR="Blue"]5. LeBron James-CLE 39.5 (What? A SMALL FORWARD? !!! )[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Blue"]Only an Idiot, a Kid or a Biased NBA Fan can avoid the Fact that LEBRON IS THEE BEST PLAYER in the NBA [/COLOR] and[COLOR="Orange"] Bryant is Among the Top 6, Gasol in the Top 10 and These Two![/COLOR] [COLOR="orange"]have Great Help on Both The Offensive, Defensive and Game Creating End![/COLOR]...[COLOR="Blue"]As So Does Howard in The Defensive End (Nothing Much on the Offensive End and Just Hedo on the Game Creating End while Himself Not a Great Game Creator)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]Dirk, Zero Help[/COLOR]
Wade, Zero Help
[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Lebron, Zero Help[/COLOR]

*Now Compare These Dudes PERs and How They Advance in the Play-Offs with ZERO HELP!!! (PLAYING WITH SCRUBS)
*They are Actually Lucky to Make it to the Play-Offs!!!
*Reason Why They are In THe Play-Offs = THEM ONLY!!!

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]LEBRON = BY A THOUSAND MILES, "THEE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD" AND DOING IT ALONE[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Blue"]Don`t Ever Underrate Barkley again

Top 5 Statistical +/-
Top 10 PER (Season and Play-Offs)
Top 10 EFF

WITH NO BODY but a Good Offensive Perimeter Player that was a PG KJ that Prefered to be The Hero Instead of Pass the Ball To the Frontline and Make them Better.

Defensive Monsters (Gasol, Odom)? None!
Game Creators in the Frontline (Gasol, Odom)? None[/COLOR]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...gasolpa01.html


[COLOR="orange"]Pau Gasol[/COLOR]

Player Efficiency Rating

2006-07 NBA 24.1 (7)
[COLOR="Blue"]Active 21.8 (10) [/COLOR] [COLOR="blue"](Top 10 NBA Player Last Decade)[/COLOR]
Career NBA 21.8 (28) ([COLOR="Blue"]Top 28 All Time NBA Player[/COLOR])

[COLOR="Orange"]Bryant, Magic, Bird = Luckiest NBA Superstar OF ALL TIME[/COLOR]

ALL TIME...

Lebron fans love to have it both ways. On the one hand they cite his eye popping stats, on the other they whine about him having "no help" (Dirk, Lebron are the only stars to lose on 65+ win teams in the past thirty five years) when he loses. You cannot have it both ways. If he had someone like Bosh on his team his stats would decline. Lebron fans want to have their cake and eat it too!

[1987_Lakers]

bump

[Peter Griffin]

Lebron fans love to have it both ways. On the one hand they cite his eye popping stats, on the other they whine about him having "no help" (Dirk, Lebron are the only stars to lose on 65+ win teams in the past thirty five years) when he loses. You cannot have it both ways. If he had someone like Bosh on his team his stats would decline. Lebron fans want to have their cake and eat it too!

I totally Agree!

[RoseCity07]

I'm not going to argue, but it just seems like you are missing someone in the top 10 list.

[JustinJDW]

Some of you guys should actually take the time to read Sir Charles Stat Posts. Even though they are long, they are pretty informative.

[RoseCity07]

Some of you guys should actually take the time to read Sir Charles Stat Posts. Even though they are long, they are pretty informative.

It's the colored font and bold letters. When someone has to use caps or bold words it's usually because they are desperate for someone to read what they are writing.

[catch24]

Lebron fans love to have it both ways. On the one hand they cite his eye popping stats, on the other they whine about him having "no help" (Dirk, Lebron are the only stars to lose on 65+ win teams in the past thirty five years) when he loses. You cannot have it both ways. If he had someone like Bosh on his team his stats would decline. Lebron fans want to have their cake and eat it too!

I agree roundball.

[Peter Griffin]

Some of you guys should actually take the time to read Sir Charles Stat Posts. Even though they are long, they are pretty informative.

So we should listen that Gorcin Gortat is the 3rd best defender in the league?! and Tony Parker is the 2nd best Player!?

Freakin Sweet!

[zabuza666]

Lebron fans love to have it both ways. On the one hand they cite his eye popping stats, on the other they whine about him having "no help" (Dirk, Lebron are the only stars to lose on 65+ win teams in the past thirty five years) when he loses. You cannot have it both ways. If he had someone like Bosh on his team his stats would decline. Lebron fans want to have their cake and eat it too!

His overall numbers might go down a little, but he'd still have incredibly high defensive ratings/efficiency ratings which is the main point charles is trying to get across.