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Freshprince619
Fan in the Stands (unregistered)
Re: who are some of the BIGGEST BALL HOGS in NBA history?
Originally Posted by plowking
LOL at all these kids saying Jordan. Go watch some tapes of the guy if you're under 21, there are plenty of his games all over the internet; 500+ I'd say.
Jordan in no way dominated the ball as much as Kobe circa 05-07, Lebron and even Wade of last year. Jordan his whole career played in a structured offensive system. The only year I'd say he had the ball in his hands more than Kobe and Wade would be the season he played point and averaged 32/8/8.
Jordan led the league 10 years straight in shots taken. Thats ball hogging.
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National High School Star
Re: who are some of the BIGGEST BALL HOGS in NBA history?
Originally Posted by TAZORAC
When people say BALL HOG, I immediately think of Allen Iverson and Michael Jordan.
KOBE AI
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Raps
Re: who are some of the BIGGEST BALL HOGS in NBA history?
Originally Posted by JtotheIzzo
Nash
can't play D either.
Nice trolling idiot, apg league leader is a ball hog ?
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Verticle?
Re: who are some of the BIGGEST BALL HOGS in NBA history?
Originally Posted by Freshprince619
Jordan led the league 10 years straight in shots taken. Thats ball hogging.
No. The offense was built for him, but it didn't consist of him holding the ball for 20 seconds and making a shot. It was created by the offense, and when they did need him to create he did.
If Jordan played the way Kobe/Wade/Lebron do his stats would be even better in terms of assists and ppg.
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Decent college freshman
Re: who are some of the BIGGEST BALL HOGS in NBA history?
Originally Posted by plowking
No. The offense was built for him, but it didn't consist of him holding the ball for 20 seconds and making a shot. It was created by the offense, and when they did need him to create he did.
If Jordan played the way Kobe/Wade/Lebron do his stats would be even better in terms of assists and ppg.
that's pure speculation on your part though...Jordan wasn't a playmaker that Wade or Lebron are, and him holding the ball as much as these guys would likely result in a tons of turnovers - he was lucky to play under Phil and in a structured offense, as it maximized his abilities and let him play his game, which is not out of his comfort zone
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Verticle?
Re: who are some of the BIGGEST BALL HOGS in NBA history?
Originally Posted by madmax
that's pure speculation on your part though...Jordan wasn't a playmaker that Wade or Lebron are, and him holding the ball as much as these guys would likely result in a tons of turnovers - he was lucky to play under Phil and in a structured offense, as it maximized his abilities and let him play his game, which is not out of his comfort zone
Are you just making random sh!t up?
Jordan outside of Phil averaged his best numbers. When he played with Collins for a 3 year stretch outside his rookie year, he played the way Lebron and Wade do now for 1 season, the 32/8/8 season. While doing that, he averaged the same amount of turnovers as Wade and Lebron do now, though he did it while putting up better numbers overall as well. Not to mention once again that he didn't nearly have it as much as Bron and Wade do.
And no, its not speculation. Download or find games on the internet and you'll see yourself.
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NBA Legend
Re: who are some of the BIGGEST BALL HOGS in NBA history?
Allen Iverson
MJ
Kobe
Not particularly in that order. It's true Mj made most of his shots but nonetheless he's still a ballhog.
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NBA sixth man of the year
Re: who are some of the BIGGEST BALL HOGS in NBA history?
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Sixers|Eagles|Phillies
Re: who are some of the BIGGEST BALL HOGS in NBA history?
Kids here have no concept of what a ball hog is. I chuckled at someone actually lookin at FG attempts per game as thier argument. Where did you get your bball education? espn.com/msgboards. Fail.
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Local High School Star
Re: who are some of the BIGGEST BALL HOGS in NBA history?
Originally Posted by TAZORAC
When people say BALL HOG, I immediately think of Allen Iverson and Michael Jordan.
AI and Kobe
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Quality?
Re: who are some of the BIGGEST BALL HOGS in NBA history?
Ball hog = does not pass when he should = Al Harrington
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#HEATNATION
Re: who are some of the BIGGEST BALL HOGS in NBA history?
Originally Posted by Jasi
Ball hog = does not pass when he should = Al Harrington
So true
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F*ck off, Randy
Re: who are some of the BIGGEST BALL HOGS in NBA history?
Yeah, a career average of 6.2 assists for Iverson definitely indicates ball hog.
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NBA Legend
Re: who are some of the BIGGEST BALL HOGS in NBA history?
Originally Posted by catzhernandez
Yeah, a career average of 6.2 assists for Iverson definitely indicates ball hog.
That just means he averaged 6.2 pass per game
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Decent college freshman
Re: who are some of the BIGGEST BALL HOGS in NBA history?
Freeman Williams
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...willifr01.html
6'4" guard
1979-80: 1343 field goal attempts, 166 assists (8.1 fga per assist); 16.4 fga/g in only 25.8 min/game
1980-81: 1381 field goal attempts, 164 assists (8.4 fga per assist), 16.8 fga/g in only 24.1 min/game
career: 4,198 field goal attempts, 516 assists (8.1 fga per assist) 13.0 fg/a in only 20.5 m/game
by comparison, other guards:
jordan 4.4 fga per assist
bryant 4.2 fga per assist
iverson 3.5 fga per assist
8.1 fga per assist is wayyyy more ballhogish for a guard.
Last edited by gotbacon23; 03-09-2010 at 10:09 AM.
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