Future of Dirk Nowitzki and Mavs now that Spurs eliminated them in round 1

[NY Comeback]

[icemanfan]

Mark Cuban with his Jerry Jones attitude has been the Mavs killer for years. He will not quit shuffling the players in and out. He will not leave a coach at the helm long enough. He can not help himself. He has that "I can buy my way to the top" attitude that ****s up everything in a team sport.

[Hawker]

your kidding right? Nash, Kidd, Marion just for starters. There is a reason the Mavs payroll is 2nd in the league. Cuban has been buying some of the best talent in the league for years. Pop is just better at putting a TEAM together than Cuban. Tim Duncan has always been great at making those around him better (with Pop's help). Dirk does not have the capacity.

Marion played like shit this series...did he not. Kidd is s[COLOR="Black"]h[/COLOR]it now. Nash wasn't good back then like he was during his MVP seasons.

[oh the horror]

Honestly, I think Marion is gone. Dude was non-existant during the series, and seems like the odd man out at this point.

[Mr Know It All]

Too many morons in this thread. The only series where Dirk can be blamed is the Golden State Warriors series, and even in that instance the Warriors were hitting ridiculous shots all series and it just seemed like fate that the Mavericks would fall to them.

As far as this series goes the blame should solely be placed upon the role players for Dallas. Kidd, Marion, Terry, these guys were all no shows for Dallas in game 6 and for most of the series. San Antonio closed out on Kidd's three pointers and totally negated his effect on this series, with Kidd taken out of the equation obviously Marion wasn't going to be able to generate any offence, and Terry decided to go cold with his shot and his defence was absolutely dreadful.

Now let's talk about Dirk as a franchise player, because posters like Showtime constantly rag on him and accuse him of being a second banana at best when really it just shows what a moron this person is. The best player Dirk has ever played with is Michael Finley, and a pre-Suns system Steve Nash (About 13ppg and 8apg). During his prime, Dirk's best second banana has been Josh Howard and Jason Terry, Howard has shown since 2007 that he can't be counted on for any role and Jason Terry is a spot up jump shooter. Dirk has never had a Ginobli, Gasol, Stoudamire. Look at the Mavericks' half court offence, it rivals the Cavaliers pathetic offensive gameplan of 'give it to your best player and watch'.

The best option for Dirk right now would seemingly be to put pressure on Dallas to find a legit 2nd option for him, or even bring in a #1 option type of guy like Wade if they can do it. Otherwise, the best fit for Dirk is to opt out and sign a deal with a team like Chicago or Miami. Wade is another guy who hasn't gotten any legitimate help since Shaq, the two of these old rivals teaming up would be deadly.

Either way, I'll let posters like Showtime continue to demonstrate their ignorance in claiming that a league MVP and 25 and 10 playoff performer isn't a legit #1 option.

[asdf1990]

Too many morons in this thread. The only series where Dirk can be blamed is the Golden State Warriors series, and even in that instance the Warriors were hitting ridiculous shots all series and it just seemed like fate that the Mavericks would fall to them.

As far as this series goes the blame should solely be placed upon the role players for Dallas. Kidd, Marion, Terry, these guys were all no shows for Dallas in game 6 and for most of the series. San Antonio closed out on Kidd's three pointers and totally negated his effect on this series, with Kidd taken out of the equation obviously Marion wasn't going to be able to generate any offence, and Terry decided to go cold with his shot and his defence was absolutely dreadful.

Now let's talk about Dirk as a franchise player, because posters like Showtime constantly rag on him and accuse him of being a second banana at best when really it just shows what a moron this person is. The best player Dirk has ever played with is Michael Finley, and a pre-Suns system Steve Nash (About 13ppg and 8apg). During his prime, Dirk's best second banana has been Josh Howard and Jason Terry, Howard has shown since 2007 that he can't be counted on for any role and Jason Terry is a spot up jump shooter. Dirk has never had a Ginobli, Gasol, Stoudamire. Look at the Mavericks' half court offence, it rivals the Cavaliers pathetic offensive gameplan of 'give it to your best player and watch'.

The best option for Dirk right now would seemingly be to put pressure on Dallas to find a legit 2nd option for him, or even bring in a #1 option type of guy like Wade if they can do it. Otherwise, the best fit for Dirk is to opt out and sign a deal with a team like Chicago or Miami. Wade is another guy who hasn't gotten any legitimate help since Shaq, the two of these old rivals teaming up would be deadly.

Either way, I'll let posters like Showtime continue to demonstrate their ignorance in claiming that a league MVP and 25 and 10 playoff performer isn't a legit #1 option.

he has the stats of a number 1 guy but stats alone don't make u a good number 1 option. he doesn't have the leadership that the #1 guy should have. when was the last time you saw dirk screaming at his teammate for not playing d or doing something wrong? when was the last time dirk called his team into a huddle and set them straight? i always see kobe, lebron, dwight, wade doing this. The truth is dirk needs a leader on his team cuz he can't lead them.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

your kidding right? Nash, Kidd, Marion just for starters. There is a reason the Mavs payroll is 2nd in the league. Cuban has been buying some of the best talent in the league for years. Pop is just better at putting a TEAM together than Cuban. Tim Duncan has always been great at making those around him better (with Pop's help). Dirk does not have the capacity.

WTF?

Kidd in his prime is one thing, Kidd now is

Marion needs a certain style of play to succeed. He isn't and has never been a franchise player or anyone capable of leading a team to success.

[coin24]

Same old story, keep dirk shuffle everyone else i guess?


Kidd, Terry , Marion, Haywood where the hell were all of you in game 6????
Im not a fan of Carlisles rotations at all. If BB is hot, why leave him out of the game? moron...

For what cuban is spending he should have a much better team, hopefully he goes after some better quality players this offseason..

[HorryIsMyMVP]

WTF?

Kidd in his prime is one thing, Kidd now is

Marion needs a certain style of play to succeed. He isn't and has never been a franchise player or anyone capable of leading a team to success.

That style of play IS Steve Nash. Just sayin'

[icemanfan]

WTF?

Kidd in his prime is one thing, Kidd now is

Marion needs a certain style of play to succeed. He isn't and has never been a franchise player or anyone capable of leading a team to success.

and D. Rob was never D. Rob after 96. As for your comment on Kidd well he took the Nets to the finals twice. That gives him twice the success of Dirk. By your logic then Dirk "isn't and has never been a franchise player or anyone capable of leading a team to success."

[icemanfan]

Michael Finley in his prime
Nick Van Exle 9th year in the L
Raef La Frentz in his prime
Steve Nash in his prime
Josh Howard
Antawn Jamison 5th year in the L
Jason Terry 5th year in the L
Kieth Van Horn 7th year in the L
Jerry Stackhouse 9th year in the L
Juwan Howard
Jason Kidd
Eddie Jones
Caron Butler

excuses excuses excuses. There are lots of legit reasons but other players around Drik is NOT one of them.

[Nero Tulip]

Michael Finley in his prime
Nick Van Exle 9th year in the L
Raef La Frentz in his prime
Steve Nash in his prime
Josh Howard
Antawn Jamison 5th year in the L
Jason Terry 5th year in the L
Kieth Van Horn 7th year in the L
Jerry Stackhouse 9th year in the L
Juwan Howard
Jason Kidd
Eddie Jones
Caron Butler

excuses excuses excuses. There are lots of legit reasons but other players around Drik is NOT one of them.

Exactly. All these guys are so much better than Parker, Ginobili, Gasol...

[Go Getter]

Either way, I'll let posters like Showtime continue to demonstrate their ignorance in claiming that a league MVP and 25 and 10 playoff performer isn't a legit #1 option.

An MVP award and 25 and 10 in the playoffs is nice but mental fortitude, defense, leadership, and the balls to go up strong in traffic mean more.

All of the aforementioned qualities are not in Dirk's cache.

[Semi]

he has the stats of a number 1 guy but stats alone don't make u a good number 1 option. he doesn't have the leadership that the #1 guy should have. when was the last time you saw dirk screaming at his teammate for not playing d or doing something wrong? when was the last time dirk called his team into a huddle and set them straight? i always see kobe, lebron, dwight, wade doing this. The truth is dirk needs a leader on his team cuz he can't lead them.

when does duncan do stuff like that? and he got 4 rings....
you guys always search for the failure of dirk, obviously its the failure of the mavs organisation. i total see dirk win a ring with a ginobili, parker nucleus, but he's put in a bad position at this point in his career.

[Go Getter]

when does duncan do stuff like that? and he got 4 rings....
you guys always search for the failure of dirk, obviously its the failure of the mavs organisation. i total see dirk win a ring with a ginobili, parker nucleus, but he's put in a bad position at this point in his career.

So at what point of his career has he been in a good position?


The Spurs won rings because their best players could get a bucket when the time called for it.....Manu, TP, and TD all give up their bodies and go to the rim and get buckets....and they can all defend theior position.

Dirk is to SofT to be the #1 option on a team.....the Mavs won't win with him at the helm.