Can a casino ban a person from coming in because he's winning too much?

[EroticVanilla]

Anyway card counting is legit if you don't use any devices to help you.

Card counting is frowned upon, if a casino finds out they WILL ban you, even if it's not technically illegal.

Okay even then lets not talk about blackjack. How about hypothetically, if a super skilled individual managed to control dices to superhuman precision in craps to change the odds to his favor and win consistently or maybe he is able to project the trajectory of the ball in roulette and would place bets that gives him an advantage or something.

Would the casino just allow them to win? Lets say they are not absurdly making tens of thousands of dollars in a day or something like that.

Your basically asking if someone came in and manipulated the game to win, but only won small amounts at a time, like a grand a week or something. If that were to happen I doubt the casino would do anything because they most likely wouldn't notice that this random guy was winning small amount of money every day. But if they were to somehow find out he was rigging the game in his favor he would be banned, it's the same as card counting.

Really this is a weird question, your basically asking if someone had some ridiculous ability to predict where roulette ball landed or control the outcome of dice rolls would they get banned. The problem with this question is it;s never going to happen without some means of cheating.

Well if im that person who is a skilled card counter, I would be so fuked up that the casino has banned me i'll probably release a book on card counting to the whole world and see what happens to casinos lmao.

There are already books on card counting, you wouldn't be doing anything new.

Edit: Why'd you make a thread about a question you asked just 2 months ago I knew I had read a thread just like this before.

[tgan3]

I'm asking this because I read in the news that a casino is giving out a Lamborghini as the top prize (winners can alternatively choose $650,000 cash) in the jackpot machine. Moreover, there were TWO winners.

I mean if they can afford to give out a million dollar car as a top prize why would they be bothered if someone is making a few grand a week?

[EroticVanilla]

I'm asking this because I read in the news that a casino is giving out a Lamborghini as the top prize (winners can alternatively choose $650,000 cash) in the jackpot machine. Moreover, there were TWO winners.

I mean if they can afford to give out a million dollar car as a top prize why would they be bothered if someone is making a few grand a week?

It's a promotion. The plan is people are going to get hard-ons because they have a chance (a very small chance) to win a Lambo and because of this more people the normal will come to the casino and try to win. And I bet that they didn't pay full-price for the Lambo's, Lamborghini is getting free publicity from this promotion as well. (20 bucks says GP_20 was at the casino trying to win a Lambo)

And anyways thats flawed thinking, your asking if you can cheat (you might not think it's cheating, but in the casino's eyes anything a player does that gives them an advantage over a casino is considered cheating) and win a few grand a week. The casino isn't going to let you cheat just because your "only winning a few grand a week", it's the principle of the matter. Especially if it gets out that a casino lets you cheat, I'm sure their are circles of cheaters who would do more then "win a few grand a week" if it came out that you could cheat.

Anyways like I said your never going to learn how to control the roll of the dice or predict the roulette ball, so why even ask.

[tgan3]

Well cause I do think I have a legitimate way to win in roulette. I've been testing on online simulators, results are good. But I want to continue testing more.

From my calculations, with a $2/$300 limit table, I could make maybe about 2k in a day. With a $3000 limit table 20k a day is possible, if you are going to commit 12 hours, even 40k is possible.

Anyway I would holla back if I managed to reach 40k with an initial 4k bankroll. If I can reach 10 times my bankroll through thousands of bets, probably whatever method im using really works.

[Kensta]

Well cause I do think I have a legitimate way to win in roulette. I've been testing on online simulators, results are good. But I want to continue testing more.

From my calculations, with a $2/$300 limit table, I could make maybe about 2k in a day. With a $3000 limit table 20k a day is possible, if you are going to commit 12 hours, even 40k is possible.

Anyway I would holla back if I managed to reach 40k with an initial 4k bankroll. If I can reach 10 times my bankroll through thousands of bets, probably whatever method im using really works.

Roulette odds are horrible. Doubt theres a legitimate way to beat the system.

[tgan3]

Roulette odds are horrible. Doubt theres a legitimate way to beat the system.

Yeah, I know. Im just testing my system btw its on european roulette so theres better odds.

[Thorpesaurous]

Card counting actually isn't that hard, the problem is that the advantages it yields aren't huge without going to crazy lengths to conceal what you're doing.

For starters, you have to have a good bankroll, because to play at a limit that's going to yield enough money for the risk, you're gonna have to play at an expensive table. Second, you need to be able to afford to play through a shoe to get the count in your favor. And it's not as if a shoe will magically always count into your favor. You're not gonna know until it's good till about 3/4 through. And then, when the deck is finally in your favor, you've got to have the money to up your action now that your at an advantage. And it's not as if advantage means "you win".
And while you do all this, you have to not be seen as a counter so they ask you leave. That's why the team approach worked, because then no one guy had to adjust his wagering wildly. A small time guy would get a count, risking little, until he hit a good deck, then signal for a "high roller" to come in and clean up the deck. Most places around here (I'm not far from MIT, or Yale, which also allegedly had a counting team) eliminated it to a degree by not allowing players to come in mid shoe, which is a pretty simple solution to the team based card counting.

[1manfastbreak]

dnt most casinos use like 2-3 decks for black jack making it harder to count cards?

[Kensta]

dnt most casinos use like 2-3 decks for black jack making it harder to count cards?

They also use those automatic shufflers that shuffles after a couple of hands.

[Thorpesaurous]

dnt most casinos use like 2-3 decks for black jack making it harder to count cards?

A standard shoe is 7 decks here in CT.

[jbot]

yes. they'll let u win up to a certain point, then it's out the door.

[tgan3]

Okay so im just wondering though, how much can you make a week a day consistently for years and be considered low profile?

Im asking this again because I do think that i've found something that works and i just want to slowly milk the casino, afford a comfortable living rather then getting 40k in a week and getting busted lol.

Or maybe im just thinking maybe instead of using just one casino i'll just play aggressively to get 40k from a particular casino in a few days/one week and once i start feeling "heat" move to another casino etc, even travel overseas to find new ones. sounds like a really cool lifestyle lol

any advisers?

[jbot]

Okay so im just wondering though, how much can you make a week a day consistently for years and be considered low profile?

Im asking this again because I do think that i've found something that works and i just want to slowly milk the casino, afford a comfortable living rather then getting 40k in a week and getting busted lol.

though i know absolutely nothing about gambling, i'm sure there are thousands of people w/ the same idea you have or the notion that they can beat their system.

[tgan3]

though i know absolutely nothing about gambling, i'm sure there are thousands of people w/ the same idea you have or the notion that they can beat their system.

Dont worry, i'll holla back if I managed to reach 40k with my 4k bankroll. If I lose my 4k then well I can prolly do away with it and stop gambling. But the idea, potential that I can get an unlimited supply of money whenever I want is too enticing not to even give it a shot haha.

[jbot]

Dont worry, i'll holla back if I managed to reach 40k with my 4k bankroll. If I lose my 4k then well I can prolly do away with it and stop gambling. But the idea, potential that I can get an unlimited supply of money whenever I want is too enticing not to even give it a shot haha.

that's true. not trying to hate, just saying i'm sure there's a gagload of people right now thinking of/doing the same thing ur wanting to do. personally, i wouldn't want to get caught cheating them and getting the shit beat out of me in a backroom by a group of casino goons. that shit does happen.