Do you agree with this NBA Top 15 All-Time?

[Timmy D for MVP]

I have Kobe borderline: 10/11

MJ
Kareem
Wilt
Russell
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Hakeem
Kobe/Oscar
Oscar/Kobe
Moses Malone
Jerry West
Elgin Baylor
Bob Pettit/Dr. J

[Andrei89]

well of course you don't agree b/c you're a Kobe nut hugger

lol i herd it before

dunno why it made me chuckle

[Lebron23]

I have Kobe borderline: 10/11

MJ
Kareem
Wilt
Russell
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Hakeem
Kobe/Oscar
Oscar/Kobe
Moses Malone
Jerry West
Elgin Baylor
Bob Pettit/Dr. J

I agree with your post.

[Desperado]

I have Kobe borderline: 10/11

MJ
Kareem
Wilt
Russell
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Hakeem
Kobe/Oscar
Oscar/Kobe
Moses Malone
Jerry West
Elgin Baylor
Bob Pettit/Dr. J

Oscar barley has a case over David Robinson and Karl Malone.

It's hilarious people put him on the same level as Kobe, Moses or even Dr. J.

[jlauber]

Oscar barley has a case over David Robinson and Karl Malone.

It's hilarious people put him on the same level as Kobe, Moses or even Dr. J.

I enjoy reading many of your posts. You are very knowledgeable, especially in arguing for Kobe's place in NBA history.

BUT, I can't agree with you on your take on Oscar. Let me ask you this, how many championships would Kobe have won with his 05-06 Lakers? Or Jordan with the '85-86 Bulls?

Because that is what Oscar had to work with for most of his career. Not only that, but like Jordan in '86, the "Big O" was up against one of the greatest dynasty teams in NBA history. It was simply unfair to expect Robertson to lead mediocre teams to titles, especially in the era of the great Celtic Dynasty.

I also found it interesting that Oscar, well past his prime, was a key reason that Milwaukee won the title in '70-71. How important was Robertson to those Buck teams. They won 66, 63, 60, and 59 games with him. He retired after that last season (a game seven loss to the Celtics in the Finals), and the Bucks collapsed the next season...finishing at 38-44.

Oscar was, quite simply, one of the greatest all-around players to have ever played in the NBA. There was nothing he could not do well on the offensive end. Furthermore, those that use his era against him, had better realize that NO ONE else has EVER had a triple-double season. Not only that, but he nearly had FOUR of them. Magic came close in the '81-82 season (one of the greatest non-winning MVP seasons in NBA history BTW.) And, when you factor in that Oscar was getting 11-12 apg, AND scoring 30 ppg (on 50% shooting in an era of .440 shooting), his numbers take a completely different perspective.

IMHO, Oscar has a STRONG case for a top-10 all-time. Had he played with
quality supporting casts, like virtually every other Top-10 player did for much of their careers, he most certainly would have won more than one ring.

[gleden]

Wilt Chamberlain says hi.

Kareem says hi.

Russel says hi.


Kobe played with one of the many great centers in histroy. Shaq played with the best SG in history, equal or second to MJ.

[Desperado]

I enjoy reading many of your posts. You are very knowledgeable, especially in arguing for Kobe's place in NBA history.

BUT, I can't agree with you on your take on Oscar. Let me ask you this, how many championships would Kobe have won with his 05-06 Lakers? Or Jordan with the '85-86 Bulls?

Because that is what Oscar had to work with for most of his career. Not only that, but like Jordan in '86, the "Big O" was up against one of the greatest dynasty teams in NBA history. It was simply unfair to expect Robertson to lead mediocre teams to titles, especially in the era of the great Celtic Dynasty.

I also found it interesting that Oscar, well past his prime, was a key reason that Milwaukee won the title in '70-71. How important was Robertson to those Buck teams. They won 66, 63, 60, and 59 games with him. He retired after that last season (a game seven loss to the Celtics in the Finals), and the Bucks collapsed the next season...finishing at 38-44.

Oscar was, quite simply, one of the greatest all-around players to have ever played in the NBA. There was nothing he could not do well on the offensive end. Furthermore, those that use his era against him, had better realize that NO ONE else has EVER had a triple-double season. Not only that, but he nearly had FOUR of them. Magic came close in the '81-82 season (one of the greatest non-winning MVP seasons in NBA history BTW.) And, when you factor in that Oscar was getting 11-12 apg, AND scoring 30 ppg (on 50% shooting in an era of .440 shooting), his numbers take a completely different perspective.

IMHO, Oscar has a STRONG case for a top-10 all-time. Had he played with
quality supporting casts, like virtually every other Top-10 player did for much of their careers, he most certainly would have won more than one ring.

Oscar was a great player but I just don't know why he should be included in top 10 lists. Top 15-20 is more appropriate.

Also you can't tell me he didn't haven help when he was playing with hall of fame players Jack Twyman, Jerry Lucas and even a 5x all-star Wayne Embry and then Kareem in Milwaukee. Comparing the teams he played to to the 2006 Lakers is a joke. LA had a staring line up of Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Lamar Odom and Luke Walton. Were are those guys now?

It's not just that he didn't win a championship as the best player it's more that he didn't have much team success in general.



Also you forgot to mention in '75 the Bucks lost Lucius Allen and Kareem missed 17 games.

[laker24]

1. Magic
2. Jordan
3. Kareem
4. Kobe
5. Russel
6. Wilt
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Shaq
10. Duncan
11. Oscar Robertson
12. West
13.Baylor
14. M. malone
15. Julius Erving

[Calabis]

Who on this top 10 is Oscar better than or has an argument for?

He's better than Kobe at this point

[That1Dude07]

Chuck anyone?

[FCN]

1. Magic
2. Jordan
3. Kareem
4. Kobe
5. Russel
6. Wilt
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Shaq
10. Duncan
11. Oscar Robertson
12. West
13.Baylor
14. M. malone
15. Julius Erving

[justin43]

Oscar doesn't belong in the top 10 for the following reasons:

1. Oscar never won as the man. Despite his stats, he was the third option when he won a championship.

2. Oscar didn't have much team success in his career compared to others who legimately belong in the top 10.

3. Everyone else who is in the top 10 has won at least 2 rings as the man on the team. If Oscar is even put in a 10a/10b situation in the top 10 all-time, he would be the only one on the list who hasn't accomplish this feat.

Be objective. Don't let your hate for certain players cloud your judgement.

I am not hating on Oscar, but these are the simple facts. Stats alone, especially after adjustment, won't get you into the top 10. Oscar is in the upper part of the top 15.

As for the other side:

Kobe has no case for top 5 yet. Put him there is . . .

[SinJackal]

I have Kobe borderline: 10/11

MJ
Kareem
Wilt
Russell
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Hakeem
Kobe/Oscar
Oscar/Kobe
Moses Malone
Jerry West
Elgin Baylor
Bob Pettit/Dr. J

Nice list. Probably the most accurate one I've seen on here yet.

[justin43]

Kobe never won 2 championships as the man on his team. Last year it was Gasol....he had a better PER in the regular season and more win shares in the playoffs. I do agree with you though that Oscar isnt top 10

I hope you trolling. PER and win shares.

I won't argue with you through since you agree on Oscar at least.

[MasterDurant24]

I hope you trolling. PER and win shares.

I won't argue with you through since you agree on Oscar at least.

The guy has Bill Russell at #96, thinks Chris Paul is the best PG of all time, and that LeBron James is the 2nd best player of all time. I would never trust his judgement.