Prime Kobe vs Prime T-mac vs Prime LeBron vs Prime Wade

[TheLogo]

Kobe would have monster seasons where the others never had any season like that before.

I would also like to add that I found a website that keeps a shot chart for stats. I will be using it this upcoming season to prove to many ISH memebers how deceiving FG% is.

Lebron has shot 60% inside the paint but a dismal 40% outside the paint where Kobe has shot 48% from 15 out and 34% from 3 point land, which drastically brings down his percentage.

There is a reason why when teams clog the lane Lebron isn't as effective as Bryant.

Shot charts are your best friend and please use him.

[BDiesel324]

He got more assists because he handles the ball more. That doesn't make him a better passer. Technically speaking Mac can make any pass Wade can make. His length allows him to see over the top of defenses better than Wade can, and his court vision/awareness is just as great. And he does a much better job taking care of the ball, which is a component of passing.


It's true.



T-Mac's TS%--56%
Wade's TS%--57%

And T-Mac did it on 2 more PPG.

32 PPG on 56%> 30 PPG on 57%

Not to mention T-Mac put up his numbers in a era where hand-checking was still allowed. In fact, if you look at the numbers the 99-04 era was the best in history in terms of defense.

TS%? Do you not understand how much that accounts Free throw shooting? There's a reason why David Robinson's TS% is probably higher than both Shaq and Hakeem.

I lol'd at the passing comment though. Not even going to bother, I'll let a Heat fan take care of you for that.

[Gabuyaux]

Tmac
Kobe
Lebron
Wade

[Jacks3]

TS%? Do you not understand how much that accounts Free throw shooting? There's a reason why David Robinson's TS% is probably higher than both Shaq and Hakeem.

Yeah... last I checked getting to the FT line and hitting them matters. It's very important.

[ShaqAttack3234]

TS%? Do you not understand how much that accounts Free throw shooting? There's a reason why David Robinson's TS% is probably higher than both Shaq and Hakeem.

Actually, Shaq's TS% is higher than Robinson's and why shouldn't free throws count? They are a part of the game, granted a missed free throw isn't as bad as a missed field goal because you'll still have your defense set and avoid an easy transition opportunity for your opponent and TS% doesn't factor in that some players get considerably more and 1s than others, so it has it's flaws, but it's useful unlike most advanced stats because it factors in FT shooting and 3s.

[catch24]

This is how I have it as well. Prime T-Mac was a beast & a better shooter than Wade, but Wade is a better playmaker, attacks the rim better, & is a better defender which is why I give Wade the slight advantage.

Yeah, and while he was a better shooter, Wade is definitely more efficient (from the field, not the free throw line), while being equally potent from mid range. As you said, though, Wade's D pretty much separates the two for me. Great shot blocker, ball snatcher, and his perimeter defense is still second to none at his position. He's an all around better player, while T-Mac was more skilled scoring the ball, as is Kobe.

[catch24]

granted a missed free throw isn't as bad as a missed field goal because you'll still have your defense set and avoid an easy transition opportunity for your opponent

That and a single missed FT costs a team one point, while a single missed field goal costs 2-3 points... Just stating the obvious here, I know.

[dyna]

1) Lebron
2) T Mac
3) Kobe
4) Wade

[Willkill24]

Kobe
Lebron
Wade
Tmac

[Jacks3]

03 T-Mac was better. More athletic, better mid-range shooter, better passer, better ball-handler, better post-up game, much better three-point shooter, and was every bit the passer/play-maker Wade was while doing a much better job of not turning the ball over. Wade was better defensively, but it's not enough to make up for Mac's advantage offensively.

Oh, and Mac was the superior re-bounder and FT shooter...

[Bigsmoke]

ranking Prime Tmac over Lebron is flat out retarded.

Tmac only had ONE really amazing season and thats in 2003. What about the year after that? His prime was only one year long? Thats all people could bring up, Tmac in his prime was great because of that ONE season Lebron is one of the few players in history to average 30ppg/8/7 on a team that won 61 games while Tmac could score 32 on 45% shooting on a 42 game winning team that makes him better

[catch24]

ranking Prime Tmac over Lebron is flat out retarded.

Tmac only had ONE really amazing season and thats in 2003. What about the year after that? His prime was only one year long? Thats all people could bring up, Tmac in his prime was great because of that ONE season Lebron is one of the few players in history to average 30ppg/8/7 on a team that won 61 games while Tmac could score 32 on 45% shooting on a 42 game winning team that makes him better

How do your rankings look after LeBron?

[Jacks3]

Tmac only had ONE really amazing season and thats in 2003. What about the year after that? His prime was only one year long?

He was also phenomenal in 2001 or 2002...

[Kurosawa0]

1. LeBron
2. Kobe
3. T-Mac
4. Wade

[Bigsmoke]

He was also phenomenal in 2001 or 2002...

he was great... NOT phenomenal. Hell in 02, he wasnt even as good as Paul Pierce. He did nothing but lost to a Hornets team without their best scoring "Jamal Mashburn" the first round. Tmac in 2001 was NOWHERE as good as Lebron in any season after 2005.