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12-08-2010, 12:51 AM
#166
Re: Kobe Bryant, Chasing History!
Originally Posted by Batz
Didn't he draft Ammo?
I think so
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12-08-2010, 12:54 AM
#167
Re: Kobe Bryant, Chasing History!
The hell does MJ drafting Morrison have to do with it? He didn't play with him, Kobe did.
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12-08-2010, 12:54 AM
#168
College star
Re: Kobe Bryant, Chasing History!
Originally Posted by StillKill24
Thank you ESPN
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12-08-2010, 12:54 AM
#169
good scorer
Re: Kobe Bryant, Chasing History!
I don't get what Ammo playing with Kobe means, or Kwame. Kwame sucked. Ammo was okay before he tore his ACL, and then never got off the bench.
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12-08-2010, 12:55 AM
#170
Super Ultra Sexy Hero
Re: Kobe Bryant, Chasing History!
Originally Posted by Rose
I don't get what Ammo playing with Kobe means, or Kwame. Kwame sucked. Ammo was okay before he tore his ACL, and then never got off the bench.
Good thread got reduced to a troll fest by Kobe fans wanting to take attention off of the first couple pages since they could no longer argue the main point.
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12-08-2010, 12:57 AM
#171
Re: Kobe Bryant, Chasing History!
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12-08-2010, 12:57 AM
#172
good scorer
Re: Kobe Bryant, Chasing History!
Originally Posted by SinJackal
Good thread got reduced to a troll fest by Kobe fans wanting to take attention off of the first couple pages since they could no longer argue the main point.
Sad.
I wasn't even trolling either. I like Kobe. I choose Kobe over Bronzy and Wade 10 times out of 10.
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12-08-2010, 01:02 AM
#173
Re: Kobe Bryant, Chasing History!
Originally Posted by SinJackal
If you remove their 3PAs from their FG%, Kobe's is sitting at .482%, and Jordan's is at .510%
i'll do it later, i want actual shot numbers not % like the rest of the thread is based on
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12-08-2010, 01:23 AM
#174
Re: Kobe Bryant, Chasing History!
ok kobe from 2 pt land in his 15th season
16,233 two point attempts
8,411 bricks from inside the arc
jordan from 2 point land in his 15 seasons
22,759 two point attempts
11,148 bricks
EDIT ok i missed it sinjackal, m'bad, like i said i'm in a meeting, not that anyone would care i just don't want to derail the meeting with basketball talk.. i want to go home...lol
Last edited by gts; 12-08-2010 at 01:25 AM.
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12-08-2010, 01:23 AM
#175
Super Ultra Sexy Hero
Re: Kobe Bryant, Chasing History!
Originally Posted by gts
i'll do it later, i want actual shot numbers not % like the rest of the thread is based on
Already answered that I thought.
Jordan has 581/1,778 3PAs, to Kobe's 1,330/3,916 3PAs. Again, not counting postseason.
22,759 2 point FGAs for MJ, 16,233 for Kobe. As opposed to their 24,537 total FGAs for MJ, and 20,149 total FGAs for Kobe.
If you wanted 2PAs and 2pFGAs for each, with 3PAs subtracted (Kobe with more than double the 3PAs gets a lot of his shot attempts removed this way), it becomes:
MJ 2pFGAs: 11,611/22,759. .510%
Kobe 2pFGAs: 7,822/16,233. .482%
And their 3PAs seperate are of course:
MJ 3PAs: 581/1,778. .327%
Kobe 3PAs: 1,330/3,916. .340%
Totals:
MJ FGAs: 12,192/24,537. .497%
Kobe FGAs: 9,152/20,149. .454%
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12-08-2010, 01:24 AM
#176
Re: Kobe Bryant, Chasing History!
All the trolling posts in this thread by JohnWall and Ne1 were reported once again. I suggest everyone else do the same. I remember someone saying that reporting posts actually does work.
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12-08-2010, 01:36 AM
#177
NBA rookie of the year
Re: Kobe Bryant, Chasing History!
Originally Posted by SinJackal
Already answered that I thought.
22,759 2 point FGAs for MJ, 16,233 for Kobe. As opposed to their 24,537 total FGAs for MJ, and 20,149 total FGAs for Kobe.
If you wanted 2PAs and 2pFGAs for each, with 3PAs subtracted (Kobe with more than double the 3PAs gets a lot of his shot attempts removed this way), it becomes:
MJ 2pFGAs: 11,611/22,759. .510%
Kobe 2pFGAs: 7,822/16,233. .482%
And their 3PAs seperate are of course:
MJ 3PAs: 581/1,778. .327%
Kobe 3PAs: 1,330/3,916. .340%
Totals:
MJ FGAs: 12,192/24,537. .497%
Kobe FGAs: 9,152/20,149. .454%
i once made 2 threads showing how Kobe shot is not accurate, the other one was showed how his scoring is overated, dude is a chucker..
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12-08-2010, 01:41 AM
#178
Super Ultra Sexy Hero
Re: Kobe Bryant, Chasing History!
Originally Posted by gts
ok kobe from 2 pt land in his 15th season
16,233 two point attempts
8,411 bricks from inside the arc
jordan from 2 point land in his 15 seasons
22,759 two point attempts
11,148 bricks
EDIT ok i missed it sinjackal, m'bad, like i said i'm in a meeting, not that anyone would care i just don't want to derail the meeting with basketball talk.. i want to go home...lol
It's okay man, just trying to give out all the info for both sides, so the argument isn't skewed in any direction.
Btw Kobe started his career as an 18 year old with reduced minutes and responsibility. Jordan started at 22 with maximum responsibility. Kobe was not a starter with full responsibility until his 4th season, which is dragging down his total numbers for the totality of his career (you likely know more about Kobe than me since you're a big Lakers fan, so I know I'm not informing you here :P~ ..). Hence my point earlier, if you use his career from 1999 and onward, his pace of missing is just as high, and on less shots. From 1999-2013 (pro-rated from last 3 seasons), he would certainly have more misses over that span of 14 years.
For reference, from 1999-2010 (not this season), that's 17,617 FGAs over that 11 year span, with 9,574 misses. Which means he has 4 additional years to rack up the misses. Or, you could technically (and fairly), start at 1998, when he began as a starter (during the 50 game season). And reduce it to the next 3 years to rack up the misses. Of course, you need to add the additional 417 misses in 1998, which pushes his total to 9,991 misses in the first 12 years. Which means he's approximately 2,354 short of Jordan's total misses through his 15 seasons as a starter. Using the previous three seasons as a measuring stick (If you don't feel this is fair, let me know, and we can change the criteria, perhaps accounting for potential decline and/or reduced responsibilities), he misses an average of 893 shots a season, even when including his games missed for the average of 79 games a season over the last 3. At that pace, Kobe would net 2,679 misses over the next 3 seasons. 325 ahead of Jordan's total as a starter.
So. . .as a starter, Kobe is ahead of Jordan's pace for misses anyway. When breaking it down that way. For the first 15 seasons though, yes, Kobe is short of Jordan's total misses for sure. That can't be denied. But as we both know, that's only due to the fact that Jordan began his career as a starter who needed to carry his team, while Kobe got to take his time for a couple years before being injected as the starter for his team.
Kobe's also well short of Jordan for FG makes, while being ahead of pace in misses. Jordan is far ahead in FG's taken though, so it'd be a legitimate argument to say Jordan hoarded team shots more than the guy who has more of a negative repuation for doing that very thing.
Originally Posted by ashbelly
i once made 2 threads showing how Kobe shot is not accurate, the other one was showed how his scoring is overated, dude is a chucker..
I don't think he qualifies as a chucker. A chucker is more of a guy that shoots 40-41%. . .or even less, and takes a ton of shots. Like Stackhouse in 2000-2001.
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12-08-2010, 01:45 AM
#179
5/7=71%>>3/9=33%
Re: Kobe Bryant, Chasing History!
Originally Posted by ashbelly
i once made 2 threads showing how Kobe shot is not accurate, the other one was showed how his scoring is overated, dude is a chucker..
45%fg for a perimeter player who takes alot of difficult shots is quite well.
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12-08-2010, 03:44 AM
#180
Kobe for President
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