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    Here's the brick leaders

    Career missed shots:

    John Havlicek 13,417 shots
    Elvin Hayes 13,296 shots
    Karl Malone 12,682 shots
    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
    12,470 shots
    Michael Jordan 12,345 shots
    Dominique Wilkins 11,626 shots
    Elgin Baylor 11,478 shots
    Allen Iverson 11,418 shots
    Wilt Chamberlain 10,816 shots
    Kobe Bryant 10,501 shots
    Alex English 10,377 shots
    Hal Greer 10,307 shots
    Bob Cousy 10,300 shots
    Hakeem Olajuwon 10,242 shots
    Oscar Robertson 10,112 shots
    Jerry West 10,016 shots

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    Very nice work.

    I've always felt like Kobe's penchant to force the issue comes not from selfishness, but from the overwhelming desire he has to win. I wonder how often he shot 11-30 on a night where 3 of the other four guys on the court were mailing it in and he was trying to do it all himself in the name of winning.

    I'll be the first to criticize Bryant's role in breaking up the Shaq/Kobe combo and costing them at least two titles with his desire to get top billing over a more physically gifted but less hard working and skilled player in Shaq. He should have understood the value of Shaq and that it was necessary for him to stay second fiddle longer. To me they should still be playing together, they should have gone out both as Lakers, Kareem and Magic style, but I knew that would never happen.

    Most important point I am making, good work Rose!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batz
    15 pages atleast.
    Probably. I forgot arguably my bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batz
    15 pages atleast.

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    Oh man....you done did it now. At least you are telling the truth and not trolling. Good work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G.O.A.T
    Very nice work.

    I've always felt like Kobe's penchant to force the issue comes not from selfishness, but from the overwhelming desire he has to win. I wonder how often he shot 11-30 on a night where 3 of the other four guys on the court were mailing it in and he was trying to do it all himself in the name of winning.

    I'll be the first to criticize Bryant's role in breaking up the Shaq/Kobe combo and costing them at least two titles with his desire to get top billing over a more physically gifted but less hard working and skilled player in Shaq. He should have understood the value of Shaq and that it was necessary for him to stay second fiddle longer. To me they should still be playing together, they should have gone out both as Lakers, Kareem and Magic style, but I knew that would never happen.

    Most important point I am making, good work Rose!
    That means ALOT GOAT coming from you. I'm sure the guy who helped me out with the stats differential in games will be happy as well.

    I mean Kobe can be and is an amazing prolific scorer, at times. But that's the problem it's at times. I agree they should have stayed together longer, alas egos collided.

    And thanks alot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batz
    15 pages atleast.
    YESSS. Can of worms successfully opened.

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    Kobe is not as high on the list as the op makes it out to be
    he says kobe is at 10,997

    regular season misses career

    kareem 12,470
    malone 12,682
    jordan 12,345
    wilkins 11,625
    baylor 11,478
    iverson 11,439

    stopped there, there's more though

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    Quote Originally Posted by gts
    Kobe is not as high on the list as the op makes it out to be
    he says kobe is at 10,997

    regular season misses career

    kareem 12,470
    malone 12,682
    jordan 12,345
    wilkins 11,625
    baylor 11,478
    iverson 11,439

    stopped there, there's more though
    When you factor in age there's more though. ALOT more to come which is the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpols
    MJ missed 12345 FG in 15 years.

    Kobe only missed less than 10997 in 14 years.

    MJ will have missed more field goals in the 15 year sample than kobe (because kobe won't reach MJ's total by the end of this year).

    So technically MJ is the king of missed FGs since he has the most in the shortest time frame.

    So all this really shows is how irrelevant and misleading that is since everyone still considers jordan the goat.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanillaThunder
    Jordan for his career:

    Regular season: 12345 misses (12,192-24,537)
    Playoffs: 2309 misses (2,188-4,497)
    All Star: 123 misses (110-233)

    14777 total misses



    This stat isn't exactly one that scrubs get. If you are taking that many shots, you can bet you are the star of the team. I'd bet everyone in the top 20 has really high usage stats too.

    For Kobe to have the career he has had (and is still having) he was bound to end up on this list. Especially considering how young he was when he came into the league.
    Postseason isn't included in regular season FGAs missed.

    Kobe has an additional 2,213 misses in the playoffs. After this next season, he will surpass Jordan in playoff misses.

    While Jordan has 12,345 misses (which Kobe will clearly surpass within 2 seasons), he also happens to have 12,192 career makes (postseason not included). Kobe doesn't even have 10,000 career makes. By time he eclipses Jordan's 12,345, he might not even have 10,000 makes yet, as he's only at 9,152 now.

    Will Kobe get 848 FGMs in his next 1,348 attemps? That's a FG% of 62.9%. So the odds (for Kobe) doing that, are as close to 0% as they can possibly get. He'll have more misses than Jordan, with over 2,000 less makes.

    He's also the youngest player to get 10,000 misses. We trump up Kobe for youngest to score points, but he's doing so at an exponential rate of missing as well.

    So while Jordan has plenty of misses, he has nearly as many makes at the same time. Kobe's makes are nowhere near his amount of misses. As he misses 55% of his shots. Some like to make the agrument, "oh, a few FG% difference is like 1-2 shots a game!) True, but over a career, it's over 2,000. Quite clearly.
    Last edited by SinJackal; 12-07-2010 at 07:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose
    When you factor in age there's more though. ALOT more to come which is the point.
    You factor in seasons it's pretty irrelevant too.

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    Default Re: Kobe Bryant, Chasing History!

    Good thread, hate that it had to become MJ vs Kobe.

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    Kobe hasnt been a starter in his first few years so that factors a lot into the stat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batz
    You factor in seasons it's pretty irrelevant too.
    How so? I already posted the career bricks. It's not like I'm skipping over anything. or magically factoring in pre-season

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose
    How so? I already posted the career bricks. It's not like I'm skipping over anything. or magically factoring in pre-season
    I will do the math as soon as my thumb stops swelling.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jr Llaban
    Good thread, hate that it had to become MJ vs Kobe.
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