Kobe Vs MJ Documenary [Very Interesting]

[LosBulls]

Not at all trying to start a flame war, maybe ISH can have a mature discussion about this for just time? No name calling, just a mature grown folks discussion.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAVZvKDRPNQ
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RbLBGZwiR4

Shaq is quoted by saying "I told Kobe yesterday that he was my idol, and that he is the best player in the league"

Phil Jackson also speaks in this documentary as he has coached both Kobe and Michael.
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Kobe Vs Jordan Head to Head

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju_rG3DtBnM

Jordan says in this video:

"I see similarities in his game aswell as my game,and I think if he maintains a certain mental approach he can become...great"

^^

He wanted to say "me"


Let's get this discussion started :)

PS. Think before cussing somebody out.

[Miserio]

There's no need to have a discussion about something we all know.

Kobe = GREAT player
Mj = GOAT

[LosBulls]

There's no need to have a discussion about something we all know.

Kobe = GREAT player
Mj = GOAT

What if they were equal? Why is it that no matter what Kobe does he can't be better than Jordan?

Coming from the guy with Jordan in his avatar.

[Walduś]

kobe's better.

[LosBulls]

kobe's better.

Care to explain?

[Miserio]

What if they were equal? Why is it that no matter what Kobe does he can't be better than Jordan?

Coming from the guy with Jordan in his avatar.

Because Kobe's past his prime and in his prime he wasn't better than Jordan, so, logically, he's not gonna be his equal

[LosBulls]

Because Kobe's past his prime and in his prime he wasn't better than Jordan, so, logically, he's not gonna be his equal

Kobe didn't have Pippen or Rodman in his prime. He had Kwame Brown.

[Miserio]

Kobe didn't have Pippen or Rodman in his prime. He had Kwame Brown.

Yes, but i'm not talking about his achievements, i'm talking about his skills.
Prime Michael was WAY more skilled, he understands better the game of basketball, he's a MUCH better defensive player, more athletic, more mentally tough, natural born winner.

A superstar makes teammates better players, Mj MADE scottie, kukoc, kerr, paxson, grant better players. I don't think Kobe has the same influence with his teammates.

[LosBulls]

Yes, but i'm not talking about his achievements, i'm talking about his skills.
Prime Michael was WAY more skilled, he understands better the game of basketball, he's a MUCH better defensive player, more athletic, more mentally tough, natural born winner.

A superstar makes teammates better players, Mj MADE scottie, kukoc, kerr, paxson, grant better players. I don't think Kobe has the same influence with his teammates.

Kobe made Ariza,Lamar,Brown,Vujacic,Farmar,GASOL,and Fisher better players.
Gasol was nothing before he got on the Lakers. Another example is Ariza, once he left the Lakers he just turned in to a role player while on the Lakers he was the main guy coming off the bench for the champions.

[Miserio]

Kobe made Ariza,Lamar,Brown,Vujacic,Farmar,GASOL,and Fisher better players.
Gasol was nothing before he got on the Lakers. Another example is Ariza, once he left the Lakers he just turned in to a role player while on the Lakers he was the main guy coming off the bench for the champions.

Gasol was a superstar before he got on the lakers, the others are just random players, you can't compare.

[Walduś]

Gasol was a superstar before he got on the lakers, the others are just random players, you can't compare.

lol

[sirkeelma]

Kobe didn't have Pippen or Rodman in his prime. He had Kwame Brown.

Never heard of Shaquille O'neal?

[Miserio]

lol

He played in a horrible team, but he was the top scorer of that team and he played in a couple of all star games before he got in the lakers, and I don't think he improved much since he's in LA, he's just in a better team

[N0Skillz]

Never heard of Shaquille O'neal?

Never heard of the word prime?

[sirkeelma]

Never heard of the word prime?

Prime Kobe 2005 with Caron Butler and Lamar Odom: 34-48 record.