Kobe Bryant vs Michael Jordan ( who was the better in game dunker )

[andgar923]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwiRS...eature=related

To the guy who thinks KObe gets up just as high as MJ please, he's even leaning the opposite way he jumped

Once again, a dunk that Kobe could never do.

A) he can't jump as high
B) he can't jump from that distance
C) he can't palm the ball in the air with one hand
D) he can't do all of those things at the same time

As for 'in game' dunks, people are primarily basing this on preference based on 'style' instead of the actual ability.

Most of Mj's dunks compared to Kobe's have a higher degree of difficulty when we watch closer at them. He usually takes off from a farther distance, he usually tends to jump higher, off different feet, off different angles, jumping without re-gathering himself coming off a dribble, etc.etc.

That isn't to say that Kobe's hasn't had some very impressive dunks, but he doesn't have as many as MJ.

[IGOTGAME]

Once again, a dunk that Kobe could never do.

A) he can't jump as high
B) he can't jump from that distance
C) he can't palm the ball in the air with one hand
D) he can't do all of those things at the same time

As for 'in game' dunks, people are primarily basing this on preference based on 'style' instead of the actual ability.

Most of Mj's dunks compared to Kobe's have a higher degree of difficulty when we watch closer at them. He usually takes off from a farther distance, he usually tends to jump higher, off different feet, off different angles, jumping without re-gathering himself coming off a dribble, etc.etc.

That isn't to say that Kobe's hasn't had some very impressive dunks, but he doesn't have as many as MJ.

"A" and "B" are essentially the same thing. Jordan is a better in game dunker but Kobe has dont some things Jordan didnt do.

Kobe loved to put on a show, he played in LA for gods sake. Give the guy his due.

[andgar923]

"A" and "B" are essentially the same thing. Jordan is a better in game dunker but Kobe has dont some things Jordan didnt do.

Kobe loved to put on a show, he played in LA for gods sake. Give the guy his due.

Who says I didn't give him credit?

LOLLL

[andgar923]

"A" and "B" are essentially the same thing. Jordan is a better in game dunker but Kobe has dont some things Jordan didnt do.

Kobe loved to put on a show, he played in LA for gods sake. Give the guy his due.

Also, the dunks that kobe's done that Mj hasn't, wasn't because MJ couldn't do athletically. He just wasn't put in that position where that type of dunk was the best option for him.

On the flip side, most of the dunks that MJ's done that Kobe hasn't, is due to Kobe's inferior athleticism.

Completely different reasons.

[IGOTGAME]

Who says I didn't give him credit?

LOLLL

you started pulling up dunks and saying they were the same ones that Kobe did...they looked nothing alike.

Its too hard for you to say Kobe did a dunk that MJ never did.

[andgar923]

you started pulling up dunks and saying they were the same ones that Kobe did...they looked nothing alike.

Its too hard for you to say Kobe did a dunk that MJ never did.

such as?

And there has been dunks that Kobe's done that MJ hasn't, such as some of the 360 dunks.

My fav Kobe dunk by far, is the behind the back semi 360 dunk.... THAT was dope.

he's had some other dope ones for sure, but nothing that MJ hasn't done before. Technically most of those dunks are the same, but the style is different and I think that there's where the disagreement stems from.

[andgar923]

Btw....

A and B aren't the same.

Jumping high and jumping from far away are different. There's different body motion involved, different speeds needed, different dribbling and timing,etc.etc. Specially in a game where you need to dribble the ball without having to time yourself.

MJ could catch the ball, take 2 dribbles and jump from a farther distance without trying than most players would trying.

[IGOTGAME]

Btw....

A and B aren't the same.

Jumping high and jumping from far away are different. There's different body motion involved, different speeds needed, different dribbling and timing,etc.etc. Specially in a game where you need to dribble the ball without having to time yourself.

MJ could catch the ball, take 2 dribbles and jump from a farther distance without trying than most players would trying.

but taking two dribbles is pretty much the same as 4. You never really get more than 2 dribbles going towards the rack in a half court set.

And "A" and "B" are strongly correlated. It is a rare occassion when someone who jumps higher can't also dunk from further out then someone. It happens occassionally but it is extremely rare(possible happens with exclusively 2 footed jumpers)...

[andgar923]

but taking two dribbles is pretty much the same as 4. You never really get more than 2 dribbles going towards the rack in a half court set.

And "A" and "B" are strongly correlated. It is a rare occassion when someone who jumps higher can't also dunk from further out then someone. It happens occassionally but it is extremely rare(possible happens with exclusively 2 footed jumpers)...

No, because if you only take two, that means less time to gather yourself for a dunk. Less time to time etc.etc. depending on the distance of course. If you're inside the lane it doesn't really matter since you're already there and the effort needed is less.

And YES I agree that A and B are strongly correlated.

In order to dunk from a far distance, one needs to jump high. But just because one jumps high it doesn't mean they can jump from a farther distance. As I mentioned, the timing and speeds are different.

I know it's semantics and small differences, but they do matter when talking about 'in game' dunking.

[Force]

Silly thread. It's Jordan.

[Johnni Gade]

MJ

[IGOTGAME]

No, because if you only take two, that means less time to gather yourself for a dunk. Less time to time etc.etc. depending on the distance of course. If you're inside the lane it doesn't really matter since you're already there and the effort needed is less.

And YES I agree that A and B are strongly correlated.

In order to dunk from a far distance, one needs to jump high. But just because one jumps high it doesn't mean they can jump from a farther distance. As I mentioned, the timing and speeds are different.

I know it's semantics and small differences, but they do matter when talking about 'in game' dunking.

Kobe's baseline windmill's were two dribbles. Two dribbles can get you from almost half court to the basket. Thats a lot of time to get your steps right.

[andgar923]

Not that Kobe can't do this (although I haven't seen him do this in traffic from that distance yet), but I've seen MJ do this far more than just about any player (including VC) and that's dunking off two or one dribble.

This is important because that extra dribble can be the difference between the defense rotating or dunking.

Here's a perfect example at the 0:16 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYYoMXDg0cg

If MJ takes another dribble, it gives the defense time to react and possibly change MJ's trajectory and shot. But taking just one dribble, it becomes a quicker attack. Not that taking one dribble is all that amazing, but we need to concentrate on the 'distance'. Most players would've needed a full length stride with at least 2 dribbles to take off from that spot. Not that it's a particularly far spot to take off from if you have more dribbles and have accelerated speed. But jumping from that spot off one dribble coming from almost a standstill is very impressive. It's like comparing somebody jumping far with a full sprint and a standstill.

Go ahead, go outside and take a full sprint and jump as far as you can.
Now take one step and jump as far as you can.

Completely different

[andgar923]

Kobe's baseline windmill's were two dribbles. Two dribbles can get you from almost half court to the basket. Thats a lot of time to get your steps right.

It depends on different things tho.

[Calabis]

Once again, a dunk that Kobe could never do.

A) he can't jump as high
B) he can't jump from that distance
C) he can't palm the ball in the air with one hand
D) he can't do all of those things at the same time

As for 'in game' dunks, people are primarily basing this on preference based on 'style' instead of the actual ability.

Most of Mj's dunks compared to Kobe's have a higher degree of difficulty when we watch closer at them. He usually takes off from a farther distance, he usually tends to jump higher, off different feet, off different angles, jumping without re-gathering himself coming off a dribble, etc.etc.

That isn't to say that Kobe's hasn't had some very impressive dunks, but he doesn't have as many as MJ.

I think you mentioned this in a earlier post about how effortless Jordan made it look, Vince Carter states the same thing. Also I don't get how Kobe is more creative, Jordan had signature dunks, he was doing things no one was doing yet....Kobe's everyones done them.......I think Kobe has some dunks that are better than MJ's due to the situation, but as far as a career, Jordan is better