Shaq vs Kobe

[T-bomb 25]

Shaq was better,his prime may have been more dominant than any player in NBA history,no shame for Kobe their...

[Tha Catalyst]

Jesus did I just read that Gasol is not a top 250 player ever? I would struggle to mention over 100 better than him.

[whoartthou]

Pau is a top 125 player of all time.

yep, i can see him easily being top 80 of all time when all is said and done.

[griffmoney1784]

Jesus did I just read that Gasol is not a top 250 player ever? I would struggle to mention over 100 better than him.

you dont think theres 250 players better than this all time

Pau Gasol

10 years
0 MVP
0 FMVP
0 ASMVP
0 1st team all nba
0 2nd team all nba
2 3rd team all nba
0 1st team all defense
0 2nd team all defense
0 starting allstar
4 reserve allstar

career 18ppg, 9reb, 3ast ( will drop when his career winds down )
0-12 playoff record as lead dog
2 championships as 2nd player on team ( -12ppg to team leader playoff average )

please dont disrespect this league son

[whoartthou]

you dont think theres 250 players better than this all time

Pau Gasol

10 years
0 MVP
0 FMVP
0 ASMVP
0 1st team all nba
0 2nd team all nba
2 3rd team all nba
0 1st team all defense
0 2nd team all defense
0 starting allstar
4 reserve allstar

career 18ppg, 9reb, 3ast ( will drop when his career winds down )
0-12 playoff record as lead dog
2 championships as 2nd player on team ( -12ppg to team leader playoff average )

please dont disrespect this league son

kobe stans will do anything to boost Kobe up,

[griffmoney1784]

kobe stans will do anything to boost Kobe up,

am i reaching by saying there are 250 players in nba history with better careers than gasol?


yea im doing it to boost kobe

but its not just anything im throwing at the wall to see if it sticks

i could legitimately post 250 players with better careers than that

[whoartthou]

am i reaching by saying there are 250 players in nba history with better careers than gasol?


yea im doing it to boost kobe

but its not just anything im throwing at the wall to see if it sticks

i could legitimately post 250 players with better careers than that

well, we all know you got time. Lets see it buddy.

[williams012]

[B]1. the mvp is the guy who has to carry the team late in games

- shaq was on the bench for allot of the endings in the playoffs because of hackashaq
- when have you ever seen shaq hit a game winner
- the leader in fga's ( aka #1 option ) was kobe for 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 )
- kobe had the better wcf's average in 2001 and 2002 and the better overall playoffs in 2001


2. shaq has never done anything as lead dog without an elite kobe

- no mvps
- no championships
- no finals mvps

he averaged 25+ppg/10+reb ( or close to ) from 1992,1993,1994,1995,1996,1997,1998,1999,2005 as lead dog

and still never got it done

3. kobe without shaq as lead dog in just 6 years has

- 1 mvp
- 3 nba finals
- 2 nba championships ( back to back )
- 2 finals mvps


4. kobe is the better defender. in a near 20 year career shaq has NEVER made 1st team all defense

kobe has made it 8 times. ( and atleast 6 of them are undisputable )


5. Kobe was never dumped by a team or made enimys with a team

shaq has been dumped or made enimys with

- orlando
- los angeles
- miami
- phoenix
- cleveland


6. kobe only made enimyswith one guy in his career while playing with them.

- shaq

shaq has made enimys with a guy from every team hes played on

- penny
- kobe
- wade
- nash
- lebron


7. kobe never let himself gain 100 pounds of fat, kobe never told his team he wouldnt guard the house if he wasnt fed, kobe never held the owner at gun point for 30 million dollars.

and finally

8. kobe won a championship without a top 250 all time player in pau gasol.

shaq has never won as lead dog without a second option in the top 10 all time.

seriously, learn to spell.

this is one of the worst things i've read.

what does making enemies have to do with anything when comparing players?

what does weight have to do with it?

i repeat, this is one of the worst things i've ever read on this site.

[hkfosho]

obviously shaq, he carried kobe to 3 titles

[ieballer3]

No he wasn't. He was the MVP of 2 series during the entire 3peat, the 2001 series vs the Spurs and the 2002 series vs the Spurs.

And for everyone who doesn't feel like wasting time, just ignore Griffmoney, the guy has no idea what he's talking about.

actually mr. shaqattaq33, kobe has an argument for two portland series (00 and 01) and the sacramento series in 01.

in the sacamento series, both dominated, but kobe closed out the kings and dominated the last two games on the road in crazy sacramento. statswise, both awesome:

shaq - 33.25ppg, 17.25rpg, 2.25ast
kobe - 35ppg, 9reb, 4.25ast

but i would give the nod to kobe for closing out the series on the road while averaging 42, 11.5, 3.5.


kobe also has a good argument for the 01 portland series:

shaq - 27ppg, 15.6 reb, 2.6ast
kobe - 25ppg, 4.3reb, 7.6ast

very close, except for the fact that both shot the same percentage, 48%. which for a center/big man, is very poor and for a sg, very good. this one is closer, but very debatable.

as for the previous year's portland series. kobe was mvp in the two wins in portland and as we all know led the comeback in game 7 while shaq attempted only 9 fgs. this one is a bit harder to argue, but just on game seven heroics alone, he deserves consideration.

please dissect...

[Nick Young]

great to see people are finally recognizing that it was kobe who carried shaq to rings.

Shaq carried lakers to regular season wins then in the playoffs Kobe would carry the whole team himself.

[LEFT4DEAD]

great to see people are finally recognizing that it was kobe who carried shaq to rings.

Shaq carried lakers to regular season wins then in the playoffs Kobe would carry the whole team himself.

yeah keep it up buddy.
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[indiefan24]

Kobe would carry the whole team himself.

lol...clown

[Jimmy2k8]

@ Kobe carrying Shaq through the playoffs and the finals.

Kobe was the second option to Shaq during the 3-peat title run, nothing more, nothing less.

[nbacardDOTnet]

SHAQ VS KB